But.... But.... But.... It was imperative to lock up MacDonald immediately. Can't let the big fish get away.
- PLindbergh31

It was imperative they sign McDonald because spending a second round pick on a rental by a bubble team would've been bad asset management. Which also most likely gave MacDonald an edge in negotiations.

Much like Chris Pronger knew that Holmgren had to give him whatever it took to sign him long term after he gave up the equivalent of 4 1st round draft picks to acquire him as a 1 year rental. Chris Pronger made more in his golden years than he ever did in his prime.

I'm not saying either were bad players at the time but Holmgren really couldn't really let either walk. Chris Pronger walking after all he gave up for him most likely would've ended his GM tenure right then and there.

I had a mancrush on McBain a couple years ago when he was still with Carolina. But nowadays, I would take him as a depth guy only. Would not feel comfortable penciling him in as an every day #6 dman.
- five4fighting10

Same here. Came into Carolina looking really nice, and never really went anywhere.

Anyone think Edmonton is dancing around singing, 'It's raining D-Men!!! Hallelujah! It's raining D-men!!!'

I mean 4.5 for Nikitin?, here come some waiver claims. Hope you like Alberta Jamie McBain!

So... nobody could foresee that teams would use the last of the CBO window to erase recapture risks and bad contracts? Really?
- Tomahawk

So it was 100% certain that Ehrhoff was getting CBO'ed?

He made some very good moves (Coburn, Forsberg, Hartnell/Timmo) early on, but I think he was at 50/50 afterwards. He DID, however, get Mason for Leighton and a 3rd, and that's looking pretty darn good right now. I'm rate him as a B- GM given his competition.
- jmatchett383

He got damn lucky on Mason after his blunder with Bobrovsky.

He pre-came and blew his load at the start of the tenure. Limp ever since.

Yeah well, D-men are expensive, especially ones that had been good yet making the league minimum on a crappy team. I wish his cap hit was smaller too, it's not. I have a feeling that Hexy is not going to be in the future about handing out long contracts. But right now, MacDonald is making about what most decent 2-3 Defensemen make, even though he's more of a 3-4 guy. With the cap constantly going up, in 3 years 5 mil for a Defensemen might be a steal. Anyone remember when Jeff Carter's deal was "Huge"?
- flyler

It's asset management. Had the Flyers waited, rather than setting the market, perhaps they could have gotten a similar player for less. Or a better player for slightly more.

I really don't want to rehash it. I don't like the contract. I think the Flyers could have waited for a better option to present itself.

It was imperative they sign McDonald because spending a second round pick on a rental by a bubble team would've been bad asset management. Which also most likely gave MacDonald an edge in negotiations.

Much like Chris Pronger knew that Holmgren had to give him whatever it took to sign him long term after he gave up the equivalent of 4 1st round draft picks to acquire him as a 1 year rental. Chris Pronger made more in his golden years than he ever did in his prime.

I'm not saying either were bad players at the time but Holmgren really couldn't really let either walk. Chris Pronger walking after all he gave up for him most likely would've ended his GM tenure right then and there.
- Flyers_01

Kinda like the Pavel Kubina trade? How was that asset management? A 2 & 4 for a rotting corpse.

Kinda like the Pavel Kubina trade? How was that asset management? A 2 & 4 for a rotting corpse.
- PLindbergh31

Know whats (frank)ed?

I liked Kubina's play when he first came here. Injury hit and he was done.

He made some very good moves (Coburn, Forsberg, Hartnell/Timmo) early on, but I think he was at 50/50 afterwards. He DID, however, get Mason for Leighton and a 3rd, and that's looking pretty darn good right now. I'm rate him as a B- GM given his competition.
- jmatchett383

I think if you rate him by value in, value out... he deserves a B-/C+.

But once you consider the owner advantage that he holds over most of his peers, I think you could reasonably have expected him to have done much more with what he had to work with and what he was allowed to do.

He got damn lucky on Mason after his blunder with Bobrovsky.

He pre-came and blew his load at the start of the tenure. Limp ever since.
- flyer_nutter

He made some nice moves. As much as they hurt, he got very good returns for Carter and Richards. He was able to acquire the Flyer's only true HOF-caliber defenseman since Mark Howe. He went after Weber/Suter as hard as he possible could.

Know whats (frank)ed?

I liked Kubina's play when he first came here. Injury hit and he was done.
- flyer_nutter

If his name was Jim Jones you would have hated it.

I think if you rate him by value in, value out... he deserves a B-/C+.

But once you consider the owner advantage that he holds over most of his peers, I think you could reasonably have expected him to have done much more with what he had to work with and what he was allowed to do.
- Tomahawk

He is in John Stevens realm in my eyes.

His blunders and asset/cap mis-management will take a few years to clear up. Giroux's prime years. So be it.

The Flyers have 3 more years left of Streit.


I'd really look to explore trading Streit this off-season if possible. A step backwards now, to make a few steps forward in the future. I grew to like Streit as the year went on but for 3 more years with the team in cap hell?

- flyer_nutter

Streit's the top PP guy now Kimmo is sliding towards retirement.

It was imperative they sign McDonald because spending a second round pick on a rental by a bubble team would've been bad asset management. Which also most likely gave MacDonald an edge in negotiations.

Much like Chris Pronger knew that Holmgren had to give him whatever it took to sign him long term after he gave up the equivalent of 4 1st round draft picks to acquire him as a 1 year rental. Chris Pronger made more in his golden years than he ever did in his prime.

I'm not saying either were bad players at the time but Holmgren really couldn't really let either walk. Chris Pronger walking after all he gave up for him most likely would've ended his GM tenure right then and there.
- Flyers_01

So, doubling down on a potentially bad move is better than being patient and waiting to see what else presents itself?

So it was 100% certain that Ehrhoff was getting CBO'ed?
- jmatchett383

It was solidly within the realm of possibility.

Just like teams dumping players, salary is something you can probably bet on from year to year... Gunnarsson and Garrison and McBain etc.

If his name was Jim Jones you would have hated it.
- PLindbergh31

Do like me some Pavel. Had a bit of a chuckle when Bill compared Friedman to Carle.

Same here. Came into Carolina looking really nice, and never really went anywhere.
- jmatchett383

Yup. I'm still pulling for him to end up as a serviceable d-man but at 26 it's getting close to now or never time. Same goes for TJ Brennan who's one of my cousin's best friends. Kid can light it up in the AHL but hasn't found a way to nail down an NHL job yet mainly due to his play in his own zone. But man, what a shot.

He made some very good moves (Coburn, Forsberg, Hartnell/Timmo) early on, but I think he was at 50/50 afterwards. He DID, however, get Mason for Leighton and a 3rd, and that's looking pretty darn good right now. I'm rate him as a B- GM given his competition.
- jmatchett383

Also found Matt Read out of nowhere.

Also found Matt Read out of nowhere.
- J35Bacher

And Raffl.

Streit's the top PP guy now Kimmo is sliding towards retirement.
- Feanor

To be honest I could give a rats ass if they miss the playoffs for a couple years. Having or not having Streit might mean the difference between playoffs/no playoffs but he isn't going to win them the cup.

If they can trade him now, get a higher pick next season and keep moving toward a proper organic re-build to establish themselves as a consistent upper tier team in a few years Im all in.

One step back, to take a few forward later.

Kinda like the Pavel Kubina trade? How was that asset management? A 2 & 4 for a rotting corpse.
- PLindbergh31

lol yay

Where's the direct quotes from Holmgren? The Flyers have 4.7M to play with just with putting Pronger on LTIR. If they can trade Lecavalier, they have more. They can waive and demote Rosehill, and waive and or demote Rinaldo to get 1.4M more. This can all be easily shown with the numbers and simple math.
They absolutely can makes somoe moves and have some money to spend.
- MJL

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CSNPhilly :

Hextall comes into this NHL draft with a pair of handcuffs on his wrists.

“You could look at it that way or you could look at it the other way where teams might be looking to grab something off you because you do need relief,” Hextall said.

“That is what I kind of put out there. We do need relief and if you have any ideas, give me a shout. It’s not an option, but there are teams out there that need help. We’ll see where it goes.”

The Morning call (this morning) :

"We haven't met with anybody,'' Hextall said Saturday after the NHL Entry Draft ended at the Wells Fargo Center.
"First on my agenda right now is to go back to Skate Zone and take a look at our cap. We have the hard number now, so we've got to look at it and see where we can try to maneuver.''
Without question, that $69 million figure kind of hit the Flyers where it hurts – in the wallet.
"Yeah, it affects every team that's close,'' Hextall said. "It affects us for sure. We've got to find a way to get below it. It was a little lower than we thought and hoped.''

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It might just be me but Hextall sounds a little more concerned about the Flyers salary cap problems than you do.

Let me know when you find a quote where Hextall says they are fine and the Salary Cap is not an issue.

He made some very good moves (Coburn, Forsberg, Hartnell/Timmo) early on, but I think he was at 50/50 afterwards. He DID, however, get Mason for Leighton and a 3rd, and that's looking pretty darn good right now. I'm rate him as a B- GM given his competition.
- jmatchett383

Pretty close on the rating.....when your that aggressive mistakes happen, but why he gets a decent grade is he always iced a competitive team.....just glad they made the change to Hextall.....it was time.

It's asset management. Had the Flyers waited, rather than setting the market, perhaps they could have gotten a similar player for less. Or a better player for slightly more.

I really don't want to rehash it. I don't like the contract. I think the Flyers could have waited for a better option to present itself.
- Jsaquella

Or we could have waited too long and gotten nothing, that's happened too, like with Matt Carle. I don't particualy like the deal either, and I'm not defending it. I am defending the GM making that deal. MacD made this team much better. He asked for a lot and Homer said okay.

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ue-jackets-161904091.html

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