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landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:13 AM ET
Could be worse. I'd rather them have drafted this kid then Derek Mathers. Or Garrett Klotz. Or Tyrell Goulbourne. etc etc etc.
- TheGreat28


I still am confused with the Goulbourne pick in round 3 last year???
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:13 AM ET
Why not shoot to be one of those teams without holes in the lineup and has 6M in cap space left over?
- Tomahawk



I'd be fine with that. How do you think the Flyers could do that?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:15 AM ET
That is a statement/opinion that is not shared by many others.....
- landros 2



It is shared by plenty of people who understand the cap and the principles behind it. And understand the Flyers cap philosophy.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 9:15 AM ET
I still am confused with the Goulbourne pick in round 3 last year???
- landros 2


So are most of us, given the other kids on the draft board at the time.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:17 AM ET
agreed....Holmgren"s signing of Macdonald is not even close to the worst move he's made.....In fact, I like Macdonald.....He may be slightly overpaid, but he makes the backend better. He's still fairly young and in my view is a very good two way d man.
- landros 2

nothing like a better backend
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 30 @ 9:22 AM ET
I'd be fine with that. How do you think the Flyers could do that?
- MJL


1. Get Paul Howard Holmgren out of hockey ops.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 9:23 AM ET
The Flyers manage the cap so well they're trying to give away a guy they deemed worthy of a 5 year $22.5mm commitment just twelve months ago.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:26 AM ET
The Flyers manage the cap so well they're trying to give away a guy their former GM foolishly deemed worthy of a 5 year $22.5mm commitment just
twelve months ago.

- Jsaquella


ftfy
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:27 AM ET
I still am confused with the Goulbourne pick in round 3 last year???
- landros 2


It's still light years ahead of the Klotz pick.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 9:29 AM ET
ftfy
- jmatchett383


We don't know how well Hexy will do. He might very well be as big a spender as Holmgren was.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:29 AM ET
1. Get Paul Howard Holmgren out of hockey ops.
- Tomahawk

even though Hexy is the GM, I still feel Homer is in control and why is Bob Clarke still involved with the team?
EastBeast18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.19.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:31 AM ET
Its pretty obvious stevie Y is going after a big UFA fish, with all that salary dumping. My money is on niskanen.
ManCity
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pike County, PA
Joined: 05.24.2014

Jun 30 @ 9:32 AM ET
The Flyers manage the cap so well they're trying to give away a guy they deemed worthy of a 5 year $22.5mm commitment just twelve months ago.
- Jsaquella


Unfortunately this sounds like a good summary of the problem.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:32 AM ET
We don't know how well Hexy will do. He might very well be as big a spender as Holmgren was.
- Jsaquella


He might. But so far, he's shown he's not afraid to trade a fan favorite to create cap room for future years and has told Vinny's agent to feel free to seek trades. I don't have a problem with long-term deals as long as there's a plan in place for the player. Vinny was a shiny toy that had no spot on the team. Let's give him a season or so before we immediately deem him a horrible GM who can't manage a team/cap.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:33 AM ET
The Flyers manage the cap so well they're trying to give away a guy they deemed worthy of a 5 year $22.5mm commitment just twelve months ago.
- Jsaquella



You've made enumerous posts including on this thread of why the Flyers should move Lecavalier. Not once has it included because they mismanaged the Cap. The reasons being given have ranged from not playing well, declining, to not fitting into Berube's system of play. So which is it, are the moving him because of those reasons, or because they've mismanaged the cap? And were they mismanaging the cap last season when they had the cap space to sign Lecavalier? And if Lecavalier had played well last year and fit in well, and had not been injured, would they still be trying to give him away? So what are the reasons why the Flyers are looking to move Lecavalier?
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:33 AM ET
Its pretty obvious stevie Y is going after a big UFA fish, with all that salary dumping. My money is on niskanen.
- EastBeast18

big money, beautiful beaches and warm winters and no media pressure
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jun 30 @ 9:33 AM ET
We don't know how well Hexy will do. He might very well be as big a spender as Holmgren was.
- Jsaquella


If we are unable to make that " big type of Homer deal", which I doubt Hectall will do.
I hope he just makes a few adjustments via UFA by adding a Pouliot, B, Boyle, or even take a look at Leo Komarov.
These 3 could all be affordable.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 9:34 AM ET
He might. But so far, he's shown he's not afraid to trade a fan favorite to create cap room for future years and has told Vinny's agent to feel free to seek trades. I don't have a problem with long-term deals as long as there's a plan in place for the player. Vinny was a shiny toy that had no spot on the team. Let's give him a season or so before we immediately deem him a horrible GM who can't manage a team/cap.
- jmatchett383


I'm really hoping the Ohhh! Shiny! phase is over.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:34 AM ET
We don't know how well Hexy will do. He might very well be as big a spender as Holmgren was.
- Jsaquella



I think he's going to spend, just differently.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:34 AM ET
The Flyers manage the cap so well they're trying to give away a guy they deemed worthy of a 5 year $22.5mm commitment just twelve months ago.
- Jsaquella


The real problem with this situation was not dealing with the coach on extremely thin ice before his plans influenced free agent signings.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:34 AM ET
Its pretty obvious stevie Y is going after a big UFA fish, with all that salary dumping. My money is on niskanen.
- EastBeast18


If they get Niskanen at, let's say, $7M, that gives them less than $2M to fill out 2-3 forward slots and a backup goalie spot. They're not in all that great of a spot to do something like this.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 9:35 AM ET
http://www.philly.com/phi...t_friendly_to_Flyers.html

Interesting stuff

This is not an easy process for the Flyers, throwing away good money after bad, after spending many months auditing their recent hockey-operations spending. Yet, with a smaller-than-planned cap, eating a portion of a contract will be a necessity for the Flyers this summer. It's just a matter of who and when.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:36 AM ET
He might. But so far, he's shown he's not afraid to trade a fan favorite to create cap room for future years and has told Vinny's agent to feel free to seek trades. I don't have a problem with long-term deals as long as there's a plan in place for the player. Vinny was a shiny toy that had no spot on the team. Let's give him a season or so before we immediately deem him a horrible GM who can't manage a team/cap.
- jmatchett383



Lecavalier had a spot on the team when he was signed. I think part of it was they felt that Hartnell was going to decline, combined with the penalties, and how Berube wants to play, all came into play for the Hartnell deal.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 30 @ 9:37 AM ET
Lecavalier had a spot on the team when he was signed. I think part of it was they felt that Hartnell was going to decline, combined with the penalties, and how Berube wants to play, all came into play for the Hartnell deal.
- MJL


I think he was more of an insurance policy if B Schenn couldn't hang at center who had a great camp and earned the spot. I don't think the Flyers had ever used Schenn at wing prior to last year.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 30 @ 9:37 AM ET
If we are unable to make that " big type of Homer deal", which I doubt Hectall will do.
I hope he just makes a few adjustments via UFA by adding a Pouliot, B, Boyle, or even take a look at Leo Komarov.
These 3 could all be affordable.

- 3flyerkids


The Flyers cap situation is manageable, but they're already over the $69mm cap for next season and have to sign a back up goalie at the very least. That means they have to make a move.
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