That would leave the Flyers with a Cap hit of $1,812,500 for Lecavalier for the next 4 seasons.
- MJL

Well whatever would be im just saying if the Flyers whom were looking to shed Hartnell's salary traded another declining player for almost same cap hit.....you would think the cap hit/retaining part of Vinny deal could have been worked out. Like i was saying, bet there is a better offer on the table after bonus is paid.

I'd switch Laughton and Lecavalier. Laughton is a better fit on the 4th line. And Lecavalier is a better fit with better wingers.
- MJL

I think there are several options with the current forward group as it currently stands. Honestly, it is about that time for Coots to turn into that dominant two way center in the mold of Bergeron and Kopitar. Do I expect him to ascend that level this year? No, but I do expect him to be a lot closer then he was at the end of the playoff run against the Rangers.

Wonder how long it will take for Hextall to put his stamp on this team, where there are more of Hexy's guys then Holmgren's guys...Kinda like what Stevie Y is doing in Tampa by sending out alot of Lawton guys last night...thought just kinda popped into my head
- nonpoint22

Trading Hartnell and Vinny is his way of putting his stamp on the team while ridding himself of some of Holmgren's guys.

Like I said, last year was really his first full NHL season. And he did improve. He also hasn't been helped by being switched back and forth between center and wing. I think he's going to take some good steps this year, and break out a little. He's still very young. He's still only played 192 NHL regular season games. Which is a little over two seasons worth.
- MJL

i hope so, I like the kid I just dont see it like I did with Giroux even when he only came into the league....probably unfair comparison but that what top 5 picks who get traded for the captain of our team have to live up too...but I certainly hope I eat crow on this one at the end of the season...I will enjoy you saying "I told you so" if it means that he turns into the "hype" player he was billed to be

Trading Hartnell and Vinny is his way of putting his stamp on the team while ridding himself of some of Holmgren's guys.
- aflyerpower8

Touche.....hopefully he can trade Vinny

Drouin>Crombeen, still didn't make Tampa. It's not just about being one of the best twelve forwards; it's about the player playing in an appropriate role to continue his development.
- aflyerpower8

Why didn't they make Tampa? What constitutes the appropriate role? Many many players have started out in a 4th line role, and worked their way up. Including Richards and Carter. If a player like Laughton is good enough to play in the League, then he belongs on the team if he's one of the best 12 forwards.

Why didn't they make Tampa? What constitutes the appropriate role? Many many players have started out in a 4th line role, and worked their way up. Including Richards and Carter. If a player like Laughton is good enough to play in the League, then he belongs on the team if he's one of the best 12 forwards.
- MJL

Drouin didn't make Tampa while Crombeen did because it would not help Drouin's development to get 8-10 minutes a night when he could play in the upper twenties in junior or the minors. Laughton might be different. I am just saying that the best twelve forwards do not always become the forwards on the final roster.

I think there are several options with the current forward group as it currently stands. Honestly, it is about that time for Coots to turn into that dominant two way center in the mold of Bergeron and Kopitar. Do I expect him to ascend that level this year? No, but I do expect him to be a lot closer then he was at the end of the playoff run against the Rangers.
- ravishingone

I agree. And it's about time that the Flyers take the shackles off of Couturier, and play him in some better situations, and more favorable starts. Always playing against top players. And lots of D and neutral zone starts. And yet he still put up a decent point total for that situation. The biggest thing that has to happen is the team has to get better as a team defensively. And then Berube may not have to use Couturier that way to have a chance to win most nights.

Drouin didn't make Tampa while Crombeen did because it would not help Drouin's development to get 8-10 minutes a night when he could play in the upper twenties in junior or the minors. Laughton might be different. I am just saying that the best twelve forwards do not always become the forwards on the final roster.
- aflyerpower8

Drouin was 18 at the time and had only played two seasons in Juniors. Crombeen is 28 years old and was drafted in 2003. The 12 best players doesn't mean the 12 most talented players.

Brayden Scheen at this point appears to be a player who is a second/third line tweener type. His offense isn't special. Yes I know he had a 20 goal season in his first full 82 game season but he isn't exactly sniping goals in the net his goals are of the dirty work variety. He is also a below average at the face off dot. His defense leaves a lot to be desired as well. He appears to work hard and bring some physicality to his game and gets under opponents skin. Lets stop making excuses about the whole switching him back and forth from wing to center the mass majority of his games this year came at center. He is a solid young player who hasn't flashed in any particular aspect of the game. Lets stop making excuses for him about why he isn't shining and accept that maybe this is just who he is going to be and stop over valueing him.

Drouin was 18 at the time and had only played two seasons in Juniors. Crombeen is 28 years old and was drafted in 2003. The 12 best players doesn't mean the 12 most talented players.
- MJL

There is no question Drouin is better than Crombeen. That being said you do what is best for the development of young players. If Laughton is NHL ready, but would be in a fourth line role, and I thought he would become a better player in the AHL playing big minutes in all situations, I would put him in the AHL.

All I know is ( besides needing a big Johnson on the team) I hope this Vince LeCavalier drama is over before I head on vaca very early tomorrow morning.................Unless the wifi at the place is good.

Then I am going to get the popcorn out and see the dramas unfold after the 2 tank AM dives drinking red stripe or whatever swill I can get.

Hope you all have a great 4th/long weekend, I know it doesnt come quick enough

Brayden Scheen at this point appears to be a player who is a second/third line tweener type. His offense isn't special. Yes I know he had a 20 goal season in his first full 82 game season but he isn't exactly sniping goals in the net his goals are of the dirty work variety. He is also a below average at the face off dot. His defense leaves a lot to be desired as well. He appears to work hard and bring some physicality to his game and gets under opponents skin. Lets stop making excuses about the whole switching him back and forth from wing to center the mass majority of his games this year came at center. He is a solid young player who hasn't flashed in any particular aspect of the game. Lets stop making excuses for him about why he isn't shining and accept that maybe this is just who he is going to be and stop over valueing him.
- Brimstone

Your username is appropriate to your outlook.

Brayden Scheen at this point appears to be a player who is a second/third line tweener type. His offense isn't special. Yes I know he had a 20 goal season in his first full 82 game season but he isn't exactly sniping goals in the net his goals are of the dirty work variety. He is also a below average at the face off dot. His defense leaves a lot to be desired as well. He appears to work hard and bring some physicality to his game and gets under opponents skin. Lets stop making excuses about the whole switching him back and forth from wing to center the mass majority of his games this year came at center. He is a solid young player who hasn't flashed in any particular aspect of the game. Lets stop making excuses for him about why he isn't shining and accept that maybe this is just who he is going to be and stop over valueing him.
- Brimstone

If he could get just a little faster, I think his game would take off.

Brayden Scheen at this point appears to be a player who is a second/third line tweener type. His offense isn't special. Yes I know he had a 20 goal season in his first full 82 game season but he isn't exactly sniping goals in the net his goals are of the dirty work variety. He is also a below average at the face off dot. His defense leaves a lot to be desired as well. He appears to work hard and bring some physicality to his game and gets under opponents skin. Lets stop making excuses about the whole switching him back and forth from wing to center the mass majority of his games this year came at center. He is a solid young player who hasn't flashed in any particular aspect of the game. Lets stop making excuses for him about why he isn't shining and accept that maybe this is just who he is going to be and stop over valueing him.
- Brimstone

Switching from Center to wing for a young player, trying to develop in the NHL is a hindrance to that development. It's not an excuse it's a fact. I agree with a lot of things you state about Schenn's game to this point. But he's 22 years old and just played his first full NHL season. That's not an excuse, that's a fact. And none of that is over valuing him. And to my knowledge, and goal scored from a goal mouth scramble counts the same as a goal scored from the top of the circle with a blistering wrist shot, on the scoreboard. Schenn is a good player who is only going to get better.

Brayden Scheen at this point appears to be a player who is a second/third line tweener type. His offense isn't special. Yes I know he had a 20 goal season in his first full 82 game season but he isn't exactly sniping goals in the net his goals are of the dirty work variety. He is also a below average at the face off dot. His defense leaves a lot to be desired as well. He appears to work hard and bring some physicality to his game and gets under opponents skin. Lets stop making excuses about the whole switching him back and forth from wing to center the mass majority of his games this year came at center. He is a solid young player who hasn't flashed in any particular aspect of the game. Lets stop making excuses for him about why he isn't shining and accept that maybe this is just who he is going to be and stop over valueing him.
- Brimstone

His 1st 3 season stats look eerily similar to JVR. Had a bit of the JVR injury track record as well. It was JVRs 5th season when he finally put up 30 goals, 60 points. Let's not say this is who brayden is just yet... there is still plenty of time for him to improve.

A lot is going to depend on where B Schenn plays this year. But if he plays Wing and plays with Giroux. And plays on the top PP unit. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pot 30 goals this upcoming season.

Brayden scheen has played hockey his whole life. He is a forward. His skill set current after 150+ games played hasn't shown the ability of a huge jump in his game on the horizon. I want him on this team but I'm bein cautiously optimistic about what his future will bring to this team he has been around long enough where we can evaluate his future and I don't see it skyrocketing. Like I said previously he's a 2/3 line tweener not enough offensive skill to justify top 6 status and not enough defense / face off ability to be a 3rd line center.

i once saw chuck Norris round house kick the cap up 20 million
- funmaster18

His 1st 3 season stats look eerily similar to JVR. Had a bit of the JVR injury track record as well. It was JVRs 5th season when he finally put up 30 goals, 60 points. Let's not say this is who brayden is just yet... there is still plenty of time for him to improve.
- moylander

That's what amazes me. JVR played 244 games before finally potting 30 goals. As you said he had some injuries, and there was a strike shortened season. But Schenn is still young and has only played 192 regular season games.

The biggest key for Brayden Schenn is getting a regular spot and being left there, with good line mates. Bouncing around with different guys in different roles ain't helping him

Absolutely. Basement team with no talent. I wonder why Hextall even took the job?
- MJL

Flyers buyout Briere, Montreal trades him for a useful player.

Flyers sign Lecavalier, can't move him for a sack of poop.

You've been Holmgren'd

That's what amazes me. JVR played 244 games before finally potting 30 goals. As you said he had some injuries, and there was a strike shortened season. But Schenn is still young and has only played 192 regular season games.
- MJL

Didn't schenn have a solid playoff run as well one year - much like JVR

edit - had to look it up. 9 points in 11 games.

Brayden scheen has played hockey his whole life. He is a forward. His skill set current after 150+ games played hasn't shown the ability of a huge jump in his game on the horizon. I want him on this team but I'm bein cautiously optimistic about what his future will bring to this team he has been around long enough where we can evaluate his future and I don't see it skyrocketing. Like I said previously he's a 2/3 line tweener not enough offensive skill to justify top 6 status and not enough defense / face off ability to be a 3rd line center.
- Brimstone

Instead of continuing to debate it. I'm just going to state that I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of Schenn and his future as a player. And end with that.

Flyers buyout Briere, Montreal trades him for a useful player.

Flyers sign Lecavalier, can't move him for a sack of poop.

You've been Holmgren'd
- PLindbergh31

Would Briere only having one year left on his deal have anything to do with that?


And you've called it, Lecavalier won't be traded? Do I have that right?