- johndewar

There are plenty of reasons we post on message boards & didn't put the work in to become an actual GM and do these things for real & not on capgeek.

i think market value is a fair assessment. i really have a hard time seeing it as otherwise.

no, not a steal by any means. but in all likelihood, he could have signed for more today if he was available.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree. Or maybe he would be like a couple of other players, and said, I really want to play here, so I'll take less to make it work. One never knows. But it's pretty clear today that the deal the Flyers signed MacDonald to is a good deal, and a fair deal for both sides.

And another thing, a lot of fans have not adjusted to the salary escalations in the League. 5M a year is just not a big deal. It's what 3 or 3.5M was a few years ago. And salaries are going to continue to go up. To the point where a few years from now, 5M is going to be considered cheap.

Nobody has a clue how free agency will go & to see this constant complaining cracks me up. It's not that bad of a deal when compared.
- ob18

Again, my biggest issue is the haste to get it done. No tire kicking during the FA grace period, no waiting to see how he did in the playoffs, just get it done, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

This isn't a stud defenseman. He's a solid guy, but hardly the kind of guy most would call a cornerstone player. It's a lot of cash and term for a guy who is just a solid guy.

1 backup goalie signing and they dropped to #2 with cap overage!

Come on Flyers #2? I know you can get to #1!
- Glak18

How does a team in a cap crisis and no cap space, add to the red column in cap overage?

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.
- SuperSchennBros

That lineup looks awful. Basically it's a team of what ifs and potential. A bag full of potential is still worth the same as a bag filled with poop.

I'm glad they didn't go and sign a bunch of players just to make a splash, but this coming year is a huge year for the Flyers young players. Teams that win have young players that perform while on low money contracts, not when they hit 30.

Yeah -- see, I do believe there's a little more to Schenn. Not saying he's winning any Barry Ashbee Trophies any time soon, but I do think there's a little more there.

He's just gotta keep working at it, be consistent -- maybe Gord Murphy helps some there.

I'm not crazy, right? Or am I the only one who thinks Schenn has a little more to give?
- AllInForFlyers

He can certainly be more consistent. In terms of areas he can improve in, the biggest one is to stay within himself. He goes out, plays a simple game, and he's generally ok.

How does a team in a cap crisis and no cap space, add to the red column in cap overage?
- MJL

Do I really have to explain this?

I agree. Or maybe he would be like a couple of other players, and said, I really want to play here, so I'll take less to make it work. One never knows. But it's pretty clear today that the deal the Flyers signed MacDonald to is a good deal, and a fair deal for both sides.

And another thing, a lot of fans have not adjusted to the salary escalations in the League. 5M a year is just not a big deal. It's what 3 or 3.5M was a few years ago. And salaries are going to continue to go up. To the point where a few years from now, 5M is going to be considered cheap.
- MJL

i see what youre saying about the inflation. i agree to an extent. 5 mill isnt a dagger if the player is good, but its not chump change either.

i look at the cammy deal. thats pretty bad to me.

I agree. Or maybe he would be like a couple of other players, and said, I really want to play here, so I'll take less to make it work. One never knows. But it's pretty clear today that the deal the Flyers signed MacDonald to is a good deal, and a fair deal for both sides.

And another thing, a lot of fans have not adjusted to the salary escalations in the League. 5M a year is just not a big deal. It's what 3 or 3.5M was a few years ago. And salaries are going to continue to go up. To the point where a few years from now, 5M is going to be considered cheap.
- MJL

All this crying over Stralman, instead of MacDonald, he was thrown away by 2 other teams, he may wind up being a good signing, or show that he was a product of the Rangers tight defensive system they employed.

Ugh I literally just threw up in my mouth.

I'm glad the Flyers didn't go out and hand some long term deal like they have in the past, but realistically they would of if they didn't put themselves in this cap crisis.

All that really matters is how they play next year as a team, if not that year may not come for awhile. Inconsistent forwards, overpriced defensive corp and goaltenders that have played good at times, but need to prove they can take the next step. Put up or shut up time Mr. Snider.
- Glak18

We need a 1A for Klode. Period; Whether it be a d-man, or winger.

Again, my biggest issue is the haste to get it done. No tire kicking during the FA grace period, no waiting to see how he did in the playoffs, just get it done, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

This isn't a stud defenseman. He's a solid guy, but hardly the kind of guy most would call a cornerstone player. It's a lot of cash and term for a guy who is just a solid guy.
- Jsaquella

When you trade for a guy like the Flyers did, they pretty much already did their homework and decided this is the guy they want to move forward with. It's like buying a car. You choose the car you want, and then negotiate on a price. Sure you may be able to get a different car cheaper, but that's not the car you want. because you think the car you want is better. There's no haste there at all. They have a pro scouting department that obviously looked at and evaluated the player.
He's not a stud defenseman. He's a solid all around puck moving top 4 quality defenseman. And it's not a lot of cash. 5M is not as big of a deal as it's being made out to be.

i see what youre saying about the inflation. i agree to an extent. 5 mill isnt a dagger if the player is good, but its not chump change either.

i look at the cammy deal. thats pretty bad to me.
- stayinthefnnet

I thought the same, 5 years for a declining goal scorer?

He can certainly be more consistent. In terms of areas he can improve in, the biggest one is to stay within himself. He goes out, plays a simple game, and he's generally ok.
- Jsaquella

I thought he looked good down the stretch and in the playoffs. I don't know if stats back that up or not.

Do I really have to explain this?
- Glak18

Yes, I would like to have an explanation. How did that happen? How can a team in a cap crisis add a player, and go deeper into the red? If they have no cap space.

Kyle Quincey signs with Detroit, 2years, $4.25mm per

I thought he looked good down the stretch and in the playoffs. I don't know if stats back that up or not.
- johndewar

I think he looked solid down the stretch, a lot of the hatred towards him was not justified. I think he struggled in the playoffs, whether it was from workload or what have you.

All this crying over Stralman, instead of MacDonald, he was thrown away by 2 other teams, he may wind up being a good signing, or show that he was a product of the Rangers tight defensive system they employed.
- puckhead17

I don't cry over players who don't sign, get traded or leave via free agency. If they're not Flyers or Phantoms, they can go where they want

Free agency isn't gonna solve the specific issues our defense has -- Ryan Suter went unrestricted and had, what, 20-plus offers?

They gotta develop the guys we drafted; one or two of them has to make it. Would be nice if one of them made it big

I don't cry over players who don't sign, get traded or leave via free agency. If they're not Flyers or Phantoms, they can go where they want

Free agency isn't gonna solve the specific issues our defense has -- Ryan Suter went unrestricted and had, what, 20-plus offers?

They gotta develop the guys we drafted; one or two of them has to make it. Would be nice if one of them made it big
- AllInForFlyers

That may happen, (this time), but maybe not for a while.

Kyle Quincey signs with Detroit, 2years, $4.25mm per
- Jsaquella

Man, I know some Det fans who are going to lose their minds.

Again, my biggest issue is the haste to get it done. No tire kicking during the FA grace period, no waiting to see how he did in the playoffs, just get it done, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

This isn't a stud defenseman. He's a solid guy, but hardly the kind of guy most would call a cornerstone player. It's a lot of cash and term for a guy who is just a solid guy.
- Jsaquella

I see that but I also get what they gave up for him & didn't want to let it sit too long before trying to extend him.

That lineup looks awful. Basically it's a team of what ifs and potential. A bag full of potential is still worth the same as a bag filled with poop.

I'm glad they didn't go and sign a bunch of players just to make a splash, but this coming year is a huge year for the Flyers young players. Teams that win have young players that perform while on low money contracts, not when they hit 30.
- Glak18

I agree. However, I'd still look to make a move. If Evander Kane can be had at the right price, I'd like to see what he can do next to Giroux for his potential and age alone. Bobby Ryan is a proven scorer who's been rumoured for wanting to come to Philly for years. While the Sabers are on a role, I do wonder if they'd be willing to hand us Chris Stewart for Vincent LeCavalier. I could understand if the Sabers would turn such a deal down because Stewart is still young with one year left on his deal but he's also expensive and hasn't lived up to his deal in a number of years now. I suggest him because he might be a nice fit with Read and Couturier and he's really good friends with Wayne Simmonds.

Kyle Quincey signs with Detroit, 2years, $4.25mm per
- Jsaquella

Another deal that reinforces that the MacDonald deal was a good deal.

That may happen, (this time), but maybe not for a while.
- puckhead17

I'm patient; they're good enough to compete right now. If/when the kids come, Giroux should still be putting up points and if we're really lucky, Couturier will have entered Beast Mode and Baby Schenn will be a 55-60 point pain in the ass

Yes, I would like to have an explanation. How did that happen? How can a team in a cap crisis add a player, and go deeper into the red? If they have no cap space.
- MJL

First off, it was a joke. You really have to start using that noodle of yours.

Secondly, in technical terms a team can still go 10% over the set cap prior to the season cap deadline.

I'm patient; they're good enough to compete right now. If/when the kids come, Giroux should still be putting up points and if we're really lucky, Couturier will have entered Beast Mode and Baby Schenn will be a 55-60 point pain in the ass
- AllInForFlyers

I'm patient also. But it's easy to be patient in July. Much harder as a fan to be patient during the season and later into March, April, etc.