I see that but I also get what they gave up for him & didn't want to let it sit too long before trying to extend him.
- ob18

Not ignoring that aspect of it. I understand that part of it. Disagree with it, but understand it

I do wonder if the Flyers could have interest in Dany Heatley. I'm not in the least expecting him to be the Heatley he was in Ottawa but I do wonder what's left. Can Giroux get anything out of him?

I agree. However, I'd still look to make a move. If Evander Kane can be had at the right price, I'd like to see what he can do next to Giroux for his potential and age alone. Bobby Ryan is a proven scorer who's been rumoured for wanting to come to Philly for years. While the Sabers are on a role, I do wonder if they'd be willing to hand us Chris Stewart for Vincent LeCavalier. I could understand if the Sabers would turn such a deal down because Stewart is still young with one year left on his deal but he's also expensive and hasn't lived up to his deal in a number of years now. I suggest him because he might be a nice fit with Read and Couturier and he's really good friends with Wayne Simmonds.
- SuperSchennBros

There's tons of moves I would like the Flyers to make or moves they will do, but it comes down to giving up assets and most importantly losing salary.

I'm patient; they're good enough to compete right now. If/when the kids come, Giroux should still be putting up points and if we're really lucky, Couturier will have entered Beast Mode and Baby Schenn will be a 55-60 point pain in the ass
- AllInForFlyers

Agree with you on Couts & Schenn, but, they need another solid puck moving defenseman who can play some minutes.
Addition by subtraction, maybe in Grossmann's spot, because what we had last season, & so far isn't strong enough, but its only July, and they still have VL on a yard sale blanket.

Not ignoring that aspect of it. I understand that part of it. Disagree with it, but understand it
- Jsaquella

But it's a big part of why some things are done when they are in-season............it's part of the "game" so to speak.

I'm patient also. But it's easy to be patient in July. Much harder as a fan to be patient during the season and later into March, April, etc.
- MJL

Well, that's part of it -- we all the same thing, which is to win now.

Over 82 games, we're all gonna be frustrated at some point. But most folks realize that developing those defensemen is the way we're going to win, if we are

I'll say this for July 1st, 2014 - I'm much happier being a Flyers fan today than a fn of the Rangers or Penguins. As of today the East is wide open.

First off, it was a joke. You really have to start using that noodle of yours.

Secondly, in technical terms a team can still go 10% over the set cap prior to the season cap deadline.
- Glak18

The Flyers have about 2M of off season cap space due to that 10%. Most of that is already taken up by having to account for Pronger which is the whole idea of why there is the off season 10% exemption. But the big picture is that the Flyers had about 4.7M of cap space to work with before the Emery signing. Which leaves them with about 3.7M of cap space to work with. If they can trade Lecavalier, they'll have even more.
The Flyers may choose to use that money in free agency or in a trade. Or they may just choose to try and stay out of LTIR, and stay under the Upper Limit enough to fit in Timonen's 1.5M bonus money to avoid overages as much as possible, and see where the team is later in the season.
So that's an overview of the Flyers cap picture. Although there isn't a ton of room there. It's certainly not a crisis.

Another deal that reinforces that the MacDonald deal was a good deal.
- MJL

I'm curious and being absolutely serious....is there a current Flyer's contract you feel is bad?

nearly 2000 comments, it's only 7pm est, and all we've done is sign emery and george zipp.
- hammarby31

Meh, 2k posts.
let's bring back stevens and Randy jones.
then we can talk about posts per minute

A deal for less money and far less term for a comparable defenseman shows how good the MacDonald contract is?

A Vulcan walked by and slapped my iPad for the lack of logic in that statement.

Kyle Quincey, 2nd pair defenseman, Andrew MacDonald, 2nd pair defenseman. One gets 2 years $9mm, the other gets 6 & $30mm....which is the better deal? Even if one feels MacDonald is the better player, I'm not sold he's 4 years & $21mm better

Agree with you on Couts & Schenn, but, they need another solid puck moving defenseman who can play some minutes.
Addition by subtraction, maybe in Grossmann's spot, because what we had last season, & so far isn't strong enough, but its only July, and they still have VL on a yard sale blanket.
- puckhead17

I agree, it'd be nice to grab one of those guys. Just not sure who's ready to give one up who's gonna help us -- I scan these rosters and there are a few teams that are in the same spot we are, or worse

Well, that's part of it -- we all the same thing, which is to win now.

Over 82 games, we're all gonna be frustrated at some point. But most folks realize that developing those defensemen is the way we're going to win, if we are
- AllInForFlyers

Well then there better be a ton of patience. Because it's 3-5 years for those players to get to that level. If at all.

I have a question that maybe somebody can answer...Could the flyers trade Pronger's contract to a team trying to make the cap floor for future considerations? or is the fact that he is hurt make that not possible?...Not saying anyone would do it, but just wondering if it was within CBA...

But it's a big part of why some things are done when they are in-season............it's part of the "game" so to speak.
- ob18

Again, I understand it. I also feel that learning from past mistakes is a smart move. How many deals did the Flyers rush into that they later regretted or were bought out or traded away?

I do wonder if the Flyers could have interest in Dany Heatley. I'm not in the least expecting him to be the Heatley he was in Ottawa but I do wonder what's left. Can Giroux get anything out of him?
- SuperSchennBros

This has been swishing around in my head too. I keep coming back to the obvious emphasis this management is putting on skating as a big reason it won't happen. If you're thinking reclamation project Setoguchi seems to be a better fit (although I'd prefer Healtly).

A deal for less money and far less term for a comparable defenseman shows how good the MacDonald contract is?

A Vulcan walked by and slapped my iPad for the lack of logic in that statement.

Kyle Quincey, 2nd pair defenseman, Andrew MacDonald, 2nd pair defenseman. One gets 2 years $9mm, the other gets 6 & $30mm....which is the better deal? Even if one feels MacDonald is the better player, I'm not sold he's 4 years & $21mm better
- Jsaquella

Does who the better player is, have any bearing? If we want to talk about a lack of logic? Not all 2nd pairing defenseman are created equal are they? MacDonald is a much better player then Quincey. By far!

A deal for less money and far less term for a comparable defenseman shows how good the MacDonald contract is?

A Vulcan walked by and slapped my iPad for the lack of logic in that statement.

Kyle Quincey, 2nd pair defenseman, Andrew MacDonald, 2nd pair defenseman. One gets 2 years $9mm, the other gets 6 & $30mm....which is the better deal? Even if one feels MacDonald is the better player, I'm not sold he's 4 years & $21mm better
- Jsaquella

J, You just used star trek in a post.
channeling your inner skip?

Again, I understand it. I also feel that learning from past mistakes is a smart move. How many deals did the Flyers rush into that they later regretted or were bought out or traded away?
- Jsaquella

We know Homer never learned from that mistake............now it's all Hexy's problem.

The Flyers have about 2M of off season cap space due to that 10%. Most of that is already taken up by having to account for Pronger which is the whole idea of why there is the off season 10% exemption. But the big picture is that the Flyers had about 4.7M of cap space to work with before the Emery signing. Which leaves them with about 3.7M of cap space to work with. If they can trade Lecavalier, they'll have even more.
The Flyers may choose to use that money in free agency or in a trade. Or they may just choose to try and stay out of LTIR, and stay under the Upper Limit enough to fit in Timonen's 1.5M bonus money to avoid overages as much as possible, and see where the team is later in the season.
So that's an overview of the Flyers cap picture. Although there isn't a ton of room there. It's certainly not a crisis.
- MJL

That's what I thought your motive was for asking your question. Thanks for providing information that is clearly known already, but may I suggest cleaning those tinted glasses a bit. To state it is not a cap crisis is beyond delusional, every move they do or would like to do is contingent on salary reduction. That is by definition a cap crisis.

I have a question that maybe somebody can answer...Could the flyers trade Pronger's contract to a team trying to make the cap floor for future considerations? or is the fact that he is hurt make that not possible?...Not saying anyone would do it, but just wondering if it was within CBA...
- nonpoint22

It can be done, as there is nothing specifically prohibiting it. That said, the NHL has shown a willingness to go back and punish actions that were legal after the fact-such as cap recapture on league approved contracts

A deal for less money and far less term for a comparable defenseman shows how good the MacDonald contract is?

A Vulcan walked by and slapped my iPad for the lack of logic in that statement.

Kyle Quincey, 2nd pair defenseman, Andrew MacDonald, 2nd pair defenseman. One gets 2 years $9mm, the other gets 6 & $30mm....which is the better deal? Even if one feels MacDonald is the better player, I'm not sold he's 4 years & $21mm better
- Jsaquella

Quincey is hated by the Detroit fan base far more than MacDonald is hated here... even with his contract.

I'm curious and being absolutely serious....is there a current Flyer's contract you feel is bad?
- Glak18

Right now, yes the Lecavalier deal. Lot's of questions about whether he can bounce back, or how he fits in Berube's style of play.

Al the other deals on the Flyers are solid deals.

Does who the better player is, have any bearing? If we want to talk about a lack of logic? Not all 2nd pairing defenseman are created equal are they? MacDonald is a much better player then Quincey. By far!
- MJL

Something being your opinion does not make that thing a fact.

Does who the better player is, have any bearing? If we want to talk about a lack of logic? Not all 2nd pairing defenseman are created equal are they? MacDonald is a much better player then Quincey. By far!
- MJL

There weren't many GM's lining up to give Quincey an "Orpik" contract today, so, yeah.
Do you think we would have made the playoffs last year with Mez, & no MacDonald?
Edit. Did he not improve Luke's game as well?