Think we should sign Heatley to a Brad Richards type deal..could be a risk/reward signing ???

Think we should sign Heatley to a Brad Richards type deal..could be a risk/reward signing ???
- griouxmvp2012

I would much rather sign Setoguchi since his skating is way better than Heatley's.

Let's get quicker, not slower.

Think we should sign Heatley to a Brad Richards type deal..could be a risk/reward signing ???
- griouxmvp2012

I'm thinking Setoguchi but money will be a decision maker, how much would your upper limit for a contract for Heatley be?

I still think the easiest solution is to move Grossman. Put B. Schenn on the LW on the first line and let Vinny play as the 2nd line center.

After you LTIR Pronger you can get the leftovers on defense to be the #7. Someone from the Phantoms to be the 6th defenseman to start the season. Make a trade later in the season to upgrade if you are able.

Think we should sign Heatley to a Brad Richards type deal..could be a risk/reward signing ???
- griouxmvp2012

There won't be much reward. He is clearly trending downward over the last 4 years. He is what he is.

I really dont want Ott but I feel like it's going to happen. Berube has been preaching possession and at least Ott can win faceoffs.

I agree. Also think Flyers fans' opinions on Ott would change if he was in orange and black (although he's coming off a poor season).
- bmeltzer

I just don't see how a guy who has been up around 150 PIMs almost every season of his career is what the Flyers need as the 3rd line center. I was hoping that swapping Hartnell for Umberger was the start of a concerted effort to become more disciplined as a team.

The Flyers led the league in PK time last season, and were 28th in PP time minus PK time.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/te...&viewName=penaltyKillTime

I would much rather sign Setoguchi since his skating is way better than Heatley's.

Let's get quicker, not slower.
- Feanor

I think Setagutchi could play with Giroux. He was a good finisher in SJ. I think playing on the top line he would get plenty of chances.

I just don't see how a guy who has been up around 150 PIMs almost every season of his career is what the Flyers need as the 3rd line center. I was hoping that swapping Hartnell for Umberger was the start of a concerted effort to become more disciplined as a team.

The Flyers led the league in PK time last season, and were 28th in PP time minus PK time.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/te...&viewName=penaltyKillTime
- Feanor

I agree. If they move Vinny why not just use Umberger as the 3rd line center and give Couturier more offensive minutes. Then they could allocate the money to an upgrade on D or wing.

I'm thinking Setoguchi but money will be a decision maker, how much would your upper limit for a contract for Heatley be?
- coffee junkie

Something like Richards got

I just don't see how a guy who has been up around 150 PIMs almost every season of his career is what the Flyers need as the 3rd line center. I was hoping that swapping Hartnell for Umberger was the start of a concerted effort to become more disciplined as a team.

The Flyers led the league in PK time last season, and were 28th in PP time minus PK time.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/te...&viewName=penaltyKillTime
- Feanor

I'm with you on this. Just reversing that trend would help the team immensely, especially considering over the grind of the entire season. Let's play some easier minutes over the season yea?

I just don't see how a guy who has been up around 150 PIMs almost every season of his career is what the Flyers need as the 3rd line center. I was hoping that swapping Hartnell for Umberger was the start of a concerted effort to become more disciplined as a team.

The Flyers led the league in PK time last season, and were 28th in PP time minus PK time.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/te...&viewName=penaltyKillTime
- Feanor

I understd the hate for Ott but i almost compare him to Raffi Torres. These guys are dispised and yet teams going into the playoffs loves these guys. These are guys that winning teams love to have as the have an attitude that can carry a club in a game whne maybe they don't have their best stuff.

That being said it depends on cost if I would be happy to have Ott or not.

"While much of the NHL got caught up in the first day of Free Agent Frenzy 2014, in which more than a half-billion dollars got spent leaguewide, the Philadelphia Flyers were forced to be spectators due to their lack of cap space."

Cap mismangement...??? i think so.

I still think the easiest solution is to move Grossman. Put B. Schenn on the LW on the first line and let Vinny play as the 2nd line center.

After you LTIR Pronger you can get the leftovers on defense to be the #7. Someone from the Phantoms to be the 6th defenseman to start the season. Make a trade later in the season to upgrade if you are able.
- mickel25

And what if none of the defenseman are ready for the NHL as of now, let alone take on the minutes and role of Grossmann. So they've moved Grossmann for what reason? Did it make the team better?

I understd the hate for Ott but i almost compare him to Raffi Torres. These guys are dispised and yet teams going into the playoffs loves these guys. These are guys that winning teams love to have as the have an attitude that can carry a club in a game whne maybe they don't have their best stuff.

That being said it depends on cost if I would be happy to have Ott or not.
- J35Bacher

If he got something similar to what we gave Talbot I would be ok with that. Anything over $2mil or two years is too much to me.

I think Setagutchi could play with Giroux. He was a good finisher in SJ. I think playing on the top line he would get plenty of chances.
- J35Bacher

Agee. I was hoping they would go after Pouliot but he got a lot of coin. Setagutchi could do very well with Giroux.

We lost some " edge" in Hartnell that I would like replaced. Ott could replace the edge but at what price?

If he got something similar to what we gave Talbot I would be ok with that. Anything over $2mil or two years is too much to me.
- mickel25

Yeah. That is why I said depending on cost. Ott can do a lot of good things. Same as Torres. He could be a nice peice with Couturer and Read as they shutdown the top lines and alos create offense. Look at what Downie did when Healthy. That line coause problems for other teams.

"While much of the NHL got caught up in the first day of Free Agent Frenzy 2014, in which more than a half-billion dollars got spent leaguewide, the Philadelphia Flyers were forced to be spectators due to their lack of cap space."

Cap mismangement...??? i think so.
- omaplata

If two people have a 100 dollars to spend in a store. One guy goes in and picks out all that he wants to buy, and spends 98 dollars.
The other guy goes in, picks out all he wants to buy, and only spends 88 dollars. The guy who spent 98 dollars mismanaged his money? Or did he just already spend most of his allotment. And has less to spend the next time he goes in the store?
This idea that because the Flyers don't have a ton of cap space, means that they mismanaged the cap, is false.

"While much of the NHL got caught up in the first day of Free Agent Frenzy 2014, in which more than a half-billion dollars got spent leaguewide, the Philadelphia Flyers were forced to be spectators due to their lack of cap space."

Cap mismangement...??? i think so.
- omaplata

Some are choosing to spin this as a blessing. I'd rather have the cap room and make the intellegent, informed decision not to get caught up in this player or that player. Instead we really couldnt get involved in much at all.

And yes, we have the overage to spend just under 5mil. But if you signed a player and then couldn't move Vinny now you're forced to dump a Matt Read or combination of players to regain that cap room. And that has to be in the back of the Flyers head.

And what if none of the defenseman are ready for the NHL as of now, let alone take on the minutes and role of Grossmann. So they've moved Grossmann for what reason? Did it make the team better?
- MJL

Yes they did make the team better. They keep Vinny and use him appropriately. He would have at least 25 goals. Then you trade him next offseason for actual assets. You could use the leftover money from the Grossman deal ($2.26mil) to sign a MDZ or another D-man to start the year if you are not comfortable with any of the Phantoms. That would assume you moved Grossman for a draft pick. You could also move him for a cheaper option at D.

Moving Vinny and taking back salary or including a pick is not appealing to me considering Vinny can still play if used properly.

I'm thinking Setoguchi but money will be a decision maker, how much would your upper limit for a contract for Heatley be?
- coffee junkie

Something like Richards got

Yes they did make the team better. They keep Vinny and use him appropriately. He would have at least 25 goals. Then you trade him next offseason for actual assets. You could use the leftover money from the Grossman deal ($2.26mil) to sign a MDZ or another D-man to start the year if you are not comfortable with any of the Phantoms. That would assume you moved Grossman for a draft pick. You could also move him for a cheaper option at D.

Moving Vinny and taking back salary or including a pick is not appealing to me considering Vinny can still play if used properly.
- mickel25

If we keep him slot him as the third line center between Umberger and Raffl and make the best of it.

Agee. I was hoping they would go after Pouliot but he got a lot of coin. Setagutchi could do very well with Giroux.

We lost some " edge" in Hartnell that I would like replaced. Ott could replace the edge but at what price?
- 3flyerkids

Is "edge" code for stupid penalties?

If we keep him slot him as the third line center between Umberger and Raffl and make the best of it.
- hereticpride

I agree. Couturier still plays more minutes. I believe Vinny has more to offer and is tougher to replace at center than Grossman is at D.

Is "edge" code for stupid penalties?
- Feanor

I think "losing edge" means whenever Hartnell went crashing into our own goalies... numerous times a game.

Right?

IMO, Simmonds more than replaces Hartnell's role. He's a leader, he's smarter on the ice, and he still has grit...

Yes they did make the team better. They keep Vinny and use him appropriately. He would have at least 25 goals. Then you trade him next offseason for actual assets. You could use the leftover money from the Grossman deal ($2.26mil) to sign a MDZ or another D-man to start the year if you are not comfortable with any of the Phantoms. That would assume you moved Grossman for a draft pick. You could also move him for a cheaper option at D.

Moving Vinny and taking back salary or including a pick is not appealing to me considering Vinny can still play if used properly.
- mickel25

And if the kid from the Phantoms that has been plugged into the lineup is overwhelmed, and the Coaching staff has to limit his minutes, and other teams take advantage of that player. And it's a downgrade defensively from Grossmann. Using Lecavalier properly is going to cancel that out? I doubt it.
There is no reason to move Grossmann. They don't have to do that to keep Lecavalier.