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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 3 @ 5:36 PM ET
I'll tell you, reading articles and tweets of Philadelphia media that cover the Flyers is pretty hilarious. 90% honestly don't have the first clue. They write such nonsense. I seriously wonder how they got the job in the first place.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jul 3 @ 5:41 PM ET
I'll tell you, reading articles and tweets of Philadelphia media that cover the Flyers is pretty hilarious. 90% honestly don't have the first clue. They write such nonsense. I seriously wonder how they got the job in the first place.
- MJL


And there's a big difference between being just a bad writer or looking for hits and just being flat out wrong about everything
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 3 @ 5:42 PM ET
Nice work, Checko!

- KINGKENZO


tie game. 3rd period starts. puck goes to my right dman at the blue line off the draw, he fumbles it, loses it, backs in, screens me, and deflects the oncoming turnover shot over my right shoulder. he didn't look at me, didn't apologize, didn't tap my pads. nothing. like it was my fault.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jul 3 @ 5:44 PM ET
I'll tell you, reading articles and tweets of Philadelphia media that cover the Flyers is pretty hilarious. 90% honestly don't have the first clue. They write such nonsense. I seriously wonder how they got the job in the first place.
- MJL


and yet, they have their jobs. must be better than all the hacks who didn't make it.
High_and_wide
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: and the refs say that's ok!, PA
Joined: 07.03.2014

Jul 3 @ 5:49 PM ET
Flyers have to have a verbal agreement with ott
- Winning


He hopes it is a little more ironclad than the agreement with Simon Gage.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 3 @ 5:51 PM ET
mood update
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 3 @ 6:02 PM ET
and yet, they have their jobs. must be better than all the hacks who didn't make it.
- hammarby31



I wouldn't feel bad that you didn't make it. Lots of people have failed. I never entertained the thought.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 6:02 PM ET
mood update
- Crimsoninja


Meh, with a chance of disinterested
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 3 @ 6:03 PM ET
Giroux and Hextall on Buttgate

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=725361

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 3 @ 6:06 PM ET
Giroux and Hextall on Buttgate

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=725361

- eayost


Exactly to a "T" what they should have said. Expertly written by the Flyers PR staff.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 3 @ 6:18 PM ET
a deletion has occurred
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 3 @ 6:25 PM ET
a deletion has occurred
- aightwebang17

I called someone a liar
High_and_wide
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: and the refs say that's ok!, PA
Joined: 07.03.2014

Jul 3 @ 6:26 PM ET
I can see it now....

Is Today The Day??
Vinny deal still possible. Hearing the Flyers could answer the door today...the Predators and Senators are knocking
.

- Giroux_Is_God


"Dominoes"
Brimstone
Joined: 12.22.2013

Jul 3 @ 6:28 PM ET
Does holding onto VL increase the possibility of a better return/ lack of salary retained or are we up a creek regardless of how long it takes to move on from vinny? Thoughts?
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 3 @ 6:33 PM ET
Does holding onto VL increase the possibility of a better return/ lack of salary retained or are we up a creek regardless of how long it takes to move on from vinny? Thoughts?
- Brimstone

I feel like it's just a waiting game right now to see which side cracks first.
Side A: Flyers want cap space, Vinny is a luxury who could be moved.
Side B: Predators/Senators/any other team want another goal scorer/playmaker to improve their offense.
Side B sees the Flyers as NEEDING cap space therefore the Flyers should have to retain salary and/or give up assets to "dump" Vinny.
Side A sees a team that lacks offense and thinks that team should have to take on all of Vinny's salary since it's actually reasonable considering the FA market and give up something (but not much) in addition to it's cap space. They also know they can bank on LTIR and don't NEED to move Vinny, it would just make life easier under the cap and since he doesn't fit well in the system.

Simply a waiting game in my eyes. If I'm Hexy, I refuse to retain salary while giving up assets/taking back nothing. It's one or the other, but not both.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 6:34 PM ET
Does holding onto VL increase the possibility of a better return/ lack of salary retained or are we up a creek regardless of how long it takes to move on from vinny? Thoughts?
- Brimstone


It probably means less money being eaten. Right now, that seems to be the sticking point. There was always a possibility he wouldn't get moved.

As much as I'd like him gone, they can't do a deal where they trade a 2nd rounder and eat half of his salary/cap hit. May as well wait a year and buy him out if that's the best offer on the table.
Brimstone
Joined: 12.22.2013

Jul 3 @ 6:36 PM ET
I have to agree I hold Hextall holds to form and doesn't let Nashville or anyone hold a gun to his head and think they can get a one over on us. I believe eventually we will get draft pick/ bottom 6 winger in return for Vinny
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 3 @ 6:37 PM ET
I called someone a liar
- Winning

Danformo
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2012

Jul 3 @ 6:38 PM ET
What do you guys think you'll do to get under the cap?
Lecav gone for sure?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 3 @ 6:44 PM ET
What do you guys think you'll do to get under the cap?
Lecav gone for sure?

- Danformo


They don't have to move a single player to get under the cap. A couple different options with placing Pronger on LTIR gets it done.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 3 @ 6:44 PM ET
What do you guys think you'll do to get under the cap?
Lecav gone for sure?

- Danformo


No, he's not for sure. The Flyers can be over the cap in a worst case scenario, because of Pronger's LTIR
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 3 @ 6:44 PM ET


Simply a waiting game in my eyes. If I'm Hexy, I refuse to retain salary while giving up assets/taking back nothing. It's one or the other, but not both.

- five4fighting10


I agree, one or the other. I'd rather keep him then make a bad deal.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jul 3 @ 6:46 PM ET
It probably means less money being eaten. Right now, that seems to be the sticking point. There was always a possibility he wouldn't get moved.

As much as I'd like him gone, they can't do a deal where they trade a 2nd rounder and eat half of his salary/cap hit. May as well wait a year and buy him out if that's the best offer on the table.

- Jsaquella


Eat half the salary and give up a second rounder, Ouch! You definitely keep him at that point.
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Jul 3 @ 6:49 PM ET
Unrelated- But does anyone know when AHL schedule gets released?
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jul 3 @ 6:54 PM ET
Eat half the salary and give up a second rounder, Ouch! You definitely keep him at that point.
- jstross


Hexy has some leverage in negotiations because what is left in free agency is debatable if the player is better then Vinny. Also, these smaller or middle level teams really need playoff revenue to break even or a show a profit at the end of they year. Vinny can help these clubs position themselves better to make the playoffs considering what is already on their roster.

So how long is a GM going to negotiate with Hexy to potentially save that $2 million on Vinny's salary, when not acquiring him could cost the club probably over $10 million in gate revenue from 2 or 3 home playoff games at least.
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