Good for him maybe he gets a shot there
- Just5

Never understood why he didn't get a shot here. Maybe he didn't take enough penalties.

Steve Ott you want, Steve Ott you'll get
- Just5

Otta boy

Never understood why he didn't get a shot here. Maybe he didn't take enough penalties.
- Jsaquella

are people going to complain this is patrick sharp 3.0 after mcguinn?

are people going to complain this is patrick sharp 3.0 after mcguinn?
- 2Real

Nope. If Holmstrom was going to Sharp, he'd have done it by now. But I've always felt he could be a solid 4th liner on a small money deal who could be used on the PK or taking draws.

And if anyone is complaining about the McGinn trade...hoo boy. Getting a 3rd rounder for an AHL bubble winger?

Nope. If Holmstrom was going to Sharp, he'd have done it by now. But I've always felt he could be a solid 4th liner on a small money deal who could be used on the PK or taking draws.

And if anyone is complaining about the McGinn trade...hoo boy. Getting a 3rd rounder for an AHL bubble winger?
- Jsaquella

no i'm just saying I was reading some sharks blogs and flyers fans were complaining the mcguin was sharp 2.0

no i'm just saying I was reading some sharks blogs and flyers fans were complaining the mcguin was sharp 2.0
- 2Real

Yeah, not seeing that. Sharp, even when he was a Flyer, was involved and didn't disappear. McGinn had stretches where they may as well have dressed 11 forwards, because he did nothing.

If he stays, I want to play him with linemates that are better at controlling the play. Schenn and Simmonds are talented players, but they're not a great fit with Vinny at 5 on 5. I'd try Voracek with him, because Jake can lug the puck up ice, control it in the zone, has good vision and generally when he's on the ice, the Flyers are generally spending more time in the opponent's end of the ice than not.

Of course, I've been advocating splitting Giroux and Voracek for most of the off season, because they are the two most dynamic offensive players the Flyers have. So my other option would be to put Vinny on Giroux's RW, where he can become, for lack of a better term, the shooter. He likes going to the high slot on the RW side, Giroux can find him for one timers and I think he could be comfortable there.
- Jsaquella

If you want vinny at RW. Who else gets bumped out of position? Simmonds can barely play an even game at 5v5 at his natural RW spot

Nope. If Holmstrom was going to Sharp, he'd have done it by now. But I've always felt he could be a solid 4th liner on a small money deal who could be used on the PK or taking draws.

And if anyone is complaining about the McGinn trade...hoo boy. Getting a 3rd rounder for an AHL bubble winger?
- Jsaquella

Considering he was a fourth-rounder who just wasn't able to stay in the lineup, I'm thrilled they got a third for him.

Makes next year's draft picture that much brighter

If you want vinny at RW. Who else gets bumped out of position? Simmonds can barely play an even game at 5v5 at his natural RW spot
- Just5

I'd move Simmonds to Couturier's line, Voracek with Schenn.

Yeah, not seeing that. Sharp, even when he was a Flyer, was involved and didn't disappear. McGinn had stretches where they may as well have dressed 11 forwards, because he did nothing.
- Jsaquella

exactly what i said but what do i know right?

exactly what i said but what do i know right?
- 2Real

Can only go off what you see and what the stats tell you. During one call up, McGinn went 3 or 4 games without a shot. For what he brings to the table, that's not going to work

I'd move Simmonds to Couturier's line, Voracek with Schenn.
- Jsaquella

Were you thinking Raffl on the left, since it appears they prefer Read with Couturier?

Were you thinking Raffl on the left, since it appears they prefer Read with Couturier?
- AllInForFlyers

It'd almost have to be him or Umberger.

FWIW, a couple of Sens blogger types tweeted that Dreger said he feels Lecavalier will be traded this weekend, but not to Ottawa.

I haven't seen Dreger tweet it, or anyone else mention it, so take it for what it is worth.

It'd almost have to be him or Umberger.
- Jsaquella

Hope Raffl comes back ready to rock...it'd be nice if he didn't "sophomore slump" and actually popped 20 goals

FWIW, a couple of Sens blogger types tweeted that Dreger said he feels Lecavalier will be traded this weekend, but not to Ottawa.

I haven't seen Dreger tweet it, or anyone else mention it, so take it for what it is worth.
- Jsaquella

I can't even guess where that would be. Nashville could still use him, but I agree that there's a limit to what you retain in salary. He's still getting 20 goals for you or someone else

Hope Raffl comes back ready to rock...it'd be nice if he didn't "sophomore slump" and actually popped 20 goals
- AllInForFlyers

Me, personally, I'd have him on the third line with Couturier & Umberger. But that's just me

I can't even guess where that would be. Nashville could still use him, but I agree that there's a limit to what you retain in salary. He's still getting 20 goals for you or someone else
- AllInForFlyers

Exactly. The absolute most I'd be OK with would be $1.5-$1.75mm and that would be a trade where I got an asset for him. If I'm tossing in a pick or prosect, I'm not willing to eat more than $1mm at most.

I can wait a year and buy him out if he can't rebound and get that level of cap help.

ok so we're paying vinny a whole lot to be a 40 point player but how much is it worth to pay him to score 40 (or maybe 50-60) for another team? some bozo on csn is advocating taking anything (read: nothing + eat a bunch of salary) just to get out from the contract. not smart at all. next year, maybe because that would be when we REALLY need the money to pursue some FA's and some of the young guys are ready for the team to make a run for a couple years. i have no problem w/ a healthy vinny here this year if they are unable to make a good trade

ok so we're paying vinny a whole lot to be a 40 point player but how much is it worth to pay him to score 40 (or maybe 50-60) for another team? some bozo on csn is advocating taking anything (read: nothing + eat a bunch of salary) just to get out from the contract. not smart at all. next year, maybe because that would be when we REALLY need the money to pursue some FA's and some of the young guys are ready for the team to make a run for a couple years. i have no problem w/ a healthy vinny here this year if they are unable to make a good trade
- hogweed

That's just dumb. If you can't make a deal, try to make it work. If it can't, then you consider a buyout after this upcoming season.

FWIW, a couple of Sens blogger types tweeted that Dreger said he feels Lecavalier will be traded this weekend, but not to Ottawa.

I haven't seen Dreger tweet it, or anyone else mention it, so take it for what it is worth.
- Jsaquella

he said it on TSN, thats hockey segment

he said it on TSN, thats hockey segment
- watsonnostaw

Ahh, perfect. I asked them if it was a TV or radio spot and was waiting on an answer

Ahh, perfect. I asked them if it was a TV or radio spot and was waiting on an answer
- Jsaquella

i saw it http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ half way down on the right

Exactly. The absolute most I'd be OK with would be $1.5-$1.75mm and that would be a trade where I got an asset for him. If I'm tossing in a pick or prosect, I'm not willing to eat more than $1mm at most.

I can wait a year and buy him out if he can't rebound and get that level of cap help.
- Jsaquella

My only concern is that I think both Raffl and Umberger look better on the left side. I'm fairly curious about how Umberger plays next season. I know he can play the right side, but when I watched Columbus play, I always thought his game would look better on the left

i saw it http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ half way down on the right
- watsonnostaw

Thanks to you sir