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- HoweHatrick

Go back and reread. Entirely out of context.

Just go back and read jj's stuff. Lazar's name was just a throw in. His entire analysis was about the Stanley Cup playoffs and Chicago really being so weak down the middle. It was all about getting a physical player in the middle.

I don't think it is going to happen. It was a Chicago rumor about the Hawks getting Smith and their problems at center. Go back and read his stuff.
- spatso

you mean this quote? Basic parameters of deal would be: Patrick Sharp and Nick Leddy to Ottawa for Colin Greening, Zack Smith and 2013 1st round selection, Curtis Lazar. I have heard of Hawk interest in Greening and Smith now from two separate sources in the U.S. and Canada."

Go back and reread. Entirely out of context.
- spatso

I'm a huge fan of Brian Murray. Last year we knew for a couple of months that he wanted Bobby Ryan and was prepared to pay a price. This year he keeps saying he wants a top 6 "hard" power forward.

Patrick Sharp is not that player and the age is all wrong. But, Sharp is enough to put them into playoff contention. Sharp does not cost much. Probably Smith straight up for Sharp probably works.
- spatso

All of the context - still insane. The only way that is not insane is if you added "just franking with you!"

You could also go back in this thread and quote you saying "the deal is smith for Sharp and the rest is window dressing".

You were saying Smith for Sharp - straight up on the last page. Now, if you have changed your tune, that is fine. Don't insult our intelligence by saying something different now and that was not your meaning - it clearly was on a number of occasions.

Go back and reread. Entirely out of context.
- spatso

that wasn't taken out of context. on EK's rumour thread yesterday, this was the 1st thing you posted in that thread

Read the comments from the Ottawa fans. All the guys who wanted Ottawa to keep Spezza a ready to trade Lazar. But all the guys who wanted Spezza traded are horrified by any talk of trading Lazar.

Murray knows you cannot trade Lazar, he will not give up picks from next year. Not sure how Leddy even fits. Doubt Ottawa has any interest in him.

Sharp for Smith is enough.
- spatso

nobody is taking anything you say out of context, you're just COMPLETELY contradicting yourself, and going back on what you said.

the chicago fans proceeded to tear you a new one for about 5 pages, while you tried to defend sharp for smith as a fair trade.....they said REPEATEDLY that the main piece of that deal, the ONLY reason sharp was included, was lazar....NOT SMITH.

i can't for the life of me figure out why you can't see that.

It is all about Smith and Sharp. The rest is merely window dressing.
- spatso

Seems pretty straight forward here too.

i can't for the life of me figure out why you can't see that.
- sensarmy_11

He sees it perfectly well. The problem is that he now sees that it was rediculous and is trying to do a little damage control.

Bye bye credibility.

He sees it perfectly well. The problem is that he now sees that it was rediculous and is trying to do a little damage control.

Bye bye credibility.
- HoweHatrick

whatever....i'm done arguing with him.

you mean this quote? Basic parameters of deal would be: Patrick Sharp and Nick Leddy to Ottawa for Colin Greening, Zack Smith and 2013 1st round selection, Curtis Lazar. I have heard of Hawk interest in Greening and Smith now from two separate sources in the U.S. and Canada."
- Sensfanlifer

Sorry, but I no longer know to answer other than to say the same thing. Lazar, as Murray said, (put in another prospect and send the offer back) is not possible. So, put in any other prospect and Greening or any multiple combination possible from that and it does not get Chicago the piece they want.

Chicago can deal Sharp somewhere else. Sharp for Evander Kane is problematic because he has a similar cap hit. Ottawa could offer up all the pieces from the Spezza trade but it won't work.

Take out Smiths name. Chicago still needs a physical third line center. Chicago wants to move cap (Sharp) because they are in a bad cap space. It is a Chicago rumor.

whatever....i'm done arguing with him.
- sensarmy_11

Truly not much point in arguing with him when he simply refuses to accept his prior posts as his own. You cannot debate a person like that.

Sorry, but I no longer know to answer other than to say the same thing. Lazar, as Murray said, (put in another prospect and send the offer back) is not possible. So, put in any other prospect and Greening or any multiple combination possible from that and it does not get Chicago the piece they want.
Chicago can deal Sharp somewhere else. Sharp for Evander Kane is problematic because he has a similar cap hit. Ottawa could offer up all the pieces from the Spezza trade but it won't work.

Take out Smiths name. Chicago still needs a physical third line center. Chicago wants to move cap (Sharp) because they are in a bad cap space. It is a Chicago rumor.
- spatso

This is NOT what you have been preaching for the last dozen pages - please stop with the back tracking garbage. You have been crystral clear that the asset the hawks want is Smith. You cannot try to deny that. Why would you even attempt it at this point?

You have been quoted several times saying "Sharp for Smith".

Just stop. Haha. You are digging a deeper hole by the post.

that wasn't taken out of context. on EK's rumour thread yesterday, this was the 1st thing you posted in that thread



nobody is taking anything you say out of context, you're just COMPLETELY contradicting yourself, and going back on what you said.

the chicago fans proceeded to tear you a new one for about 5 pages, while you tried to defend sharp for smith as a fair trade.....they said REPEATEDLY that the main piece of that deal, the ONLY reason sharp was included, was lazar....NOT SMITH.

i can't for the life of me figure out why you can't see that.
- sensarmy_11

Never tried to defend Sharp for Smith. Merely said it was Smith for Sharp, the rest is window dressing. The only thing I had an opinion on was no Lazar.

Never tried to defend Sharp for Smith. Merely said it was Smith for Sharp, the rest is window dressing. The only thing I had an opinion on was no Lazar.
- spatso

Bull-poop. You specifically said several times Smith for Sharp works.

There are multiple quotes on this page making that more than clear.

Sorry, but I no longer know to answer other than to say the same thing. Lazar, as Murray said, (put in another prospect and send the offer back) is not possible. So, put in any other prospect and Greening or any multiple combination possible from that and it does not get Chicago the piece they want.

Chicago can deal Sharp somewhere else. Sharp for Evander Kane is problematic because he has a similar cap hit. Ottawa could offer up all the pieces from the Spezza trade but it won't work.

Take out Smiths name. Chicago still needs a physical third line center. Chicago wants to move cap (Sharp) because they are in a bad cap space. It is a Chicago rumor.
- spatso

Spats I am not trying to agrue with you I just wanted to clarify with you that Lazar was to the deal as Sharp was.

What Murray was saying swap a propect and send it back I highly doubt he was meaning in the Chi rumor at the presser.

I enjoy yours and numerous other posters posts, as well as some of the ones that take balls to propose knowing your gonna get flamed over the years. I was just trying to point that out unfortunately it was in amongst the back and forth of the other posters you were defending against.

This is NOT what you have been preaching for the last dozen pages - please stop with the back tracking garbage. You have been crystral clear that the asset the hawks want is Smith. You cannot try to deny that. Why would you even attempt it at this point?

You have been quoted several times saying "Sharp for Smith".

Just stop. Haha. You are digging a deeper hole by the post.
- HoweHatrick

It is Sharp for Smith. Take out Lazar and it is Sharp for Smith.

It is Sharp for Smith. Take out Lazar and it is Sharp for Smith.
- spatso

Get off the crack.

I agree with Smith for Sharpe - Ottawa may have to throw in a Wideman or MCCormick but the prices for expensive NHL are not that high. Look what Spezza returned.

The price for a player like Zach Smith is even higher especially when you've been beaten at home in game 7 by a bigger, slower and more determined team. Smith has a great contract and is a perfect 3rd Line Center if you give him a winger to carry the puck around and get it to the front of the net for him. This also brings up the issue that Sens fans who don't like Zach Smith and his contract only watch the hilites and not the real game.

I agree with Smith for Sharpe - Ottawa may have to throw in a Wideman or MCCormick but the prices for expensive NHL are not that high. Look what Spezza returned.

The price for a player like Zach Smith is even higher especially when you've been beaten at home in game 7 by a bigger, slower and more determined team. Smith has a great contract and is a perfect 3rd Line Center if you give him a winger to carry the puck around and get it to the front of the net for him. This also brings up the issue that Sens fans who don't like Zach Smith and his contract only watch the hilites and not the real game.
- tuna99

With how cheap role players are signing for. Chi woulda dumped cap with another player and signed Ott for cheap if they needed a 3rd line tougher C. At the time they needed another depth C because of all the injuries they had at C.

They have a log jam at C right now with Toews/B Richards/Shaw/Kruger/Regin/Handzus, you add Smith to that with out subtracting and it becomes like us on Def. It makes no sense.

Like I stated earlier with the proof shown Chi's rumor before was Versteeg or Bickell/ and Oduya for Greening and Smith why would they get so desperate as to make it Sharp/Leddy when that could be sent to another team for a 2nd line C

Spats I am not trying to agrue with you I just wanted to clarify with you that Lazar was to the deal as Sharp was.

I enjoy yours and numerous other posters posts, as well as some of the ones that take balls to propose knowing your gonna get flamed over the years. I was just trying to point that out unfortunately it was in amongst the back and forth of the other posters you were defending against.
- Sensfanlifer

What there doing is playing a word game around the Laszar inclusion. We know this came about at the time Murray said they were working on a deal but had to take out the name of the prospect asked for and give them a list to choose from.

So, we assumed it was this proposal with Lazar taken out.

From an Ottawa perspective that means they are offering Smith, Greening and a prospect not named Lazar for Sharp and Leddy. Way back this morning I said take out Greening or prospect not named Lazar or take out Leddy this is really about Smith and Sharp. Or add everyone back in it is still about Smith and Sharp.

Chicago and Ottawa can say no. Maybe they should say no. But this is all about Smith $1.9m and Sharp $5.6m. But, again, it is a Chicago based rumor.

What there doing is playing a word game around the Laszar inclusion. We know this came about at the time Murray said they were working on a deal but had to take out the name of the prospect asked for and give them a list to choose from.

So, we assumed it was this proposal with Lazar taken out.

From an Ottawa perspective that means they are offering Smith, Greening and a prospect not named Lazar for Sharp and Leddy. Way back this morning I said take out Greening or prospect not named Lazar or take out Leddy this is really about Smith and Sharp. Or add everyone back in it is still about Smith and Sharp.

Chicago and Ottawa can say no. Maybe they should say no. But this is all about Smith $1.9m and Sharp $5.6m. But, again, it is a Chicago based rumor.
- spatso

That is fine that you interpreted his comments like that. The thing to remember is at that point when Murray was discussing the removal of a prospect because he was not being traded(Lazar)and finding another prospect. Chi had already signed B Richards, and Murray was talking about it being a C Ott was getting back when he was talking about that in the presser.

Get off the crack.
- HoweHatrick

I need to say that this comment is deeply offensive. I well understand and have personal experience with the affects of addiction on individuals and the devastation it causes within families. You have consistently and relentlessly attempted to provoke an exchange of demeaning and personal insults since first commenting on the Senator thread starting yesterday.

I regret but I will no longer recognize your comments.

What there doing is playing a word game around the Laszar inclusion. We know this came about at the time Murray said they were working on a deal but had to take out the name of the prospect asked for and give them a list to choose from.

So, we assumed it was this proposal with Lazar taken out.

From an Ottawa perspective that means they are offering Smith, Greening and a prospect not named Lazar for Sharp and Leddy. Way back this morning I said take out Greening or prospect not named Lazar or take out Leddy this is really about Smith and Sharp. Or add everyone back in it is still about Smith and Sharp.

Chicago and Ottawa can say no. Maybe they should say no. But this is all about Smith $1.9m and Sharp $5.6m. But, again, it is a Chicago based rumor.
- spatso

Duddde, this is painful to read. Lazar WAS that deal. Without him, that deal is in no way happening. Smith is a freakin filler in that package!!!

I need to say that this comment is deeply offensive. I well understand and have personal experience with the affects of addiction on individuals and the devastation it causes within families. You have consistently and relentlessly attempted to provoke an exchange of demeaning and personal insults since first commenting on the Senator thread starting yesterday.

I regret but I will no longer recognize your comments.
- spatso

One should not throw stones when they live in a glass house. You have called me and several others stupid, an idiot, a donkey, etc in the last 24 hours.

If you want to call people all sorts of insulting names but then take "deep offense" from others posting similarly you need to google the word hypocrite and take a few notes or get off the internet. On top of that, you have the gall to demand respect after throwing out your insults. Treating others will little to none will get you little respect nor sympathy.

Duddde, this is painful to read. Lazar WAS that deal. Without him, that deal is in no way happening. Smith is a freakin filler in that package!!!

- OtownSens

They have been talking Smith in the Chicago thread for over a year. Lazar is not available, so, end of story nothing to talk about if your Chicago. Nothing to talk about if your Ottawa.

But, Chicago still likes Smith.

Chicago likely has to move Sharp to clear cap space.

Perhaps those two issues must be addressed independent of each other.

I am still curious to whom Murray was talking about in the presser with regards to that deal. Since it did not sound like it was significant players involved by how he was down playing it.

I am hoping it is not for Stewart. But if it was given the right environment problematic players sometimes can flourish and or change how they play if they buy into a system.

Outside of that I cannot see us still acquiring Berglund even if Stl now does not fully have a role for him and he will suffer much like Hodgeson did in Vancouver behind Sedin/Kesler. Not sure what else glaring jumps out at me for trade that we could use bottom 6 guys or prospects to acquire.