The other thing people seem to forget is we have a very young hockey club that will only get better with age(like whiskey, wine etc lol), with not a whole lot of veteran leadership right now. Plus considering the veterans we do have I would much rather Lecav mentor our kids then Neil/Philips.
- Sensfanlifer

average age of roster projects to something like 25.6, depending on who makes it / who doesn't.

Please. Pleeeeaaaaaase take vinny.

Greening for Lecavalier? Idon't think i'd do it?
Does Lecavalier even want to play hockey anymore? I know he's in the habit of going to the rink, but when was the last time this guy played to win? 2009 probably!

I just can't see him being successful in Ottawa, he plays hockey in a daze now. We do have some type of identity going into next season - a no name team with size, decent speed and a group that will play together - Vincent is none of those things.

average age of roster projects to something like 25.6, depending on who makes it / who doesn't.
- Travis Yost

Where does that fit in across the league Yost? Gotta think it's in the bottom quadrant

Please. Pleeeeaaaaaase take vinny.
- Just5

Take Greening and/or Phillips/Neil and we have a deal.

Hey, here's the deal. Lots of people are focused on the negative aspects of the team right now. But honestly, who knows what might happen this year? I think expectations for a team this young and inexperienced should be tempered, they aren't a Stanley Cup contender for sure, but it's not as though they won't be an entertaining team. Karlsson alone is worth the price of admission, I expect the goalies to bounce back, and they'll probably score a bunch of goals on their own. How that blueline progresses...that's a big question mark. But I don't think they're as pathetic as some of y'all do. I don't think they'll be in the hunt for McDavid, although now that the draft lottery runs the way it does, all you need to do to win it is have a little skin in the game. They might not have as much in it as you think though. Just sayin', a little bit of optimism wouldn't kill this fanbase. Too much focus on finances and star players walking, and not nearly enough focus on what this team could actually do with the players they do have.

On the subject of Lecavalier...you could do worse. He won't cost much, he'll insulate the C position, and he's not DONE. He is 34, and he's not a PPG player like he was in the prime of his career anymore, but he's still a completely useful player that would be a good dressing room guy and on-ice secondary contributor. If they manage to get him, I suspect that Murray will be also acquiring a d-man from the Flyers, and Philly will be taking back a prospect and a budget roster player. It won't be Greening I don't think, part of the reason why the Flyers want to move Lecavalier is because of his salary and cap hit, so Greening doesn't offset it enough. The dman I think the Flyers might be willing to part with is Grossman, and honestly I think based on salary vs usefulness, he's probably the guy Ottawa would be most interested in as well.

So, would Philadelphia do:

Lecavalier
Grossman

for

Hoffman
Prince
2015 2nd round

Remember that Philadelphia is doing this to move salaries, not bodies. Their blueline already has Timonen, MacDonald, Streit, Coburn, Schenn. Grossman is a loss but the cap space they gain might be enough to allow them to do something else.

Also, I think Greening goes to Chicago for a draft pick at some point.

So, if something like that happened, then Ottawa goes into next year with 4 lines that look like this:

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Lecavalier-Chiasson
Lazar-Zibanejad-Stone
???-Smith-Condra

That ??? is a spot that could be filled by a number of guys in the system. Grant, Pageau, Puempel, Dzingel, Dziurzynski....I think Ryan Dzingel is a dark horse to make the team. He had a great final season in the NCAA, and might fill out that 4th line reasonably.

Anyways, the point is, I don't think Ottawa would struggle to score with those lines...it remains to be seen what happens on the blueline. I do expect Cowen and Wiercioch to be better this year.

I don't know any better than anyone else regarding how this season is going to play out, but I don't think focusing on the doom and gloom of the ownership and budget is worthwhile.

Where does that fit in across the league Yost? Gotta think it's in the bottom quadrant
- Jordo

Yeah that's pretty damn low. 25 range is usually where lowest teams sit, like Toronto / CBJ in years past...

Lecavalier got his teeth kicked in all season. The only reason you buy on him is because he's probably an above-average Sh% guy / PP possibility ... and you need Philly to retain $.

So I'm not saying don't buy him here. I'm saying you have to be extremely careful.

Hey, here's the deal. Lots of people are focused on the negative aspects of the team right now. But honestly, who knows what might happen this year? I think expectations for a team this young and inexperienced should be tempered, they aren't a Stanley Cup contender for sure, but it's not as though they won't be an entertaining team. Karlsson alone is worth the price of admission, I expect the goalies to bounce back, and they'll probably score a bunch of goals on their own. How that blueline progresses...that's a big question mark. But I don't think they're as pathetic as some of y'all do. I don't think they'll be in the hunt for McDavid, although now that the draft lottery runs the way it does, all you need to do to win it is have a little skin in the game. They might not have as much in it as you think though. Just sayin', a little bit of optimism wouldn't kill this fanbase. Too much focus on finances and star players walking, and not nearly enough focus on what this team could actually do with the players they do have.

On the subject of Lecavalier...you could do worse. He won't cost much, he'll insulate the C position, and he's not DONE. He is 34, and he's not a PPG player like he was in the prime of his career anymore, but he's still a completely useful player that would be a good dressing room guy and on-ice secondary contributor. If they manage to get him, I suspect that Murray will be also acquiring a d-man from the Flyers, and Philly will be taking back a prospect and a budget roster player. It won't be Greening I don't think, part of the reason why the Flyers want to move Lecavalier is because of his salary and cap hit, so Greening doesn't offset it enough. The dman I think the Flyers might be willing to part with is Grossman, and honestly I think based on salary vs usefulness, he's probably the guy Ottawa would be most interested in as well.

So, would Philadelphia do:

Lecavalier
Grossman

for

Hoffman
Prince
2015 2nd round

Remember that Philadelphia is doing this to move salaries, not bodies. Their blueline already has Timonen, MacDonald, Streit, Coburn, Schenn. Grossman is a loss but the cap space they gain might be enough to allow them to do something else.

Also, I think Greening goes to Chicago for a draft pick at some point.

So, if something like that happened, then Ottawa goes into next year with 4 lines that look like this:

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Lecavalier-Chiasson
Lazar-Zibanejad-Stone
???-Smith-Condra

That ??? is a spot that could be filled by a number of guys in the system. Grant, Pageau, Puempel, Dzingel, Dziurzynski....I think Ryan Dzingel is a dark horse to make the team. He had a great final season in the NCAA, and might fill out that 4th line reasonably.

Anyways, the point is, I don't think Ottawa would struggle to score with those lines...it remains to be seen what happens on the blueline. I do expect Cowen and Wiercioch to be better this year.

I don't know any better than anyone else regarding how this season is going to play out, but I don't think focusing on the doom and gloom of the ownership and budget is worthwhile.
- the_terror

What you layed out is great, as well as the rational for it of why it would work. How ever Grossman(would help make the def a little more mean) unless we were to send a def back to Philly would just add to our already crowded def going into this season.

Hey, here's the deal. Lots of people are focused on the negative aspects of the team right now. But honestly, who knows what might happen this year? I think expectations for a team this young and inexperienced should be tempered, they aren't a Stanley Cup contender for sure, but it's not as though they won't be an entertaining team. Karlsson alone is worth the price of admission, I expect the goalies to bounce back, and they'll probably score a bunch of goals on their own. How that blueline progresses...that's a big question mark. But I don't think they're as pathetic as some of y'all do. I don't think they'll be in the hunt for McDavid, although now that the draft lottery runs the way it does, all you need to do to win it is have a little skin in the game. They might not have as much in it as you think though. Just sayin', a little bit of optimism wouldn't kill this fanbase. Too much focus on finances and star players walking, and not nearly enough focus on what this team could actually do with the players they do have.

On the subject of Lecavalier...you could do worse. He won't cost much, he'll insulate the C position, and he's not DONE. He is 34, and he's not a PPG player like he was in the prime of his career anymore, but he's still a completely useful player that would be a good dressing room guy and on-ice secondary contributor. If they manage to get him, I suspect that Murray will be also acquiring a d-man from the Flyers, and Philly will be taking back a prospect and a budget roster player. It won't be Greening I don't think, part of the reason why the Flyers want to move Lecavalier is because of his salary and cap hit, so Greening doesn't offset it enough. The dman I think the Flyers might be willing to part with is Grossman, and honestly I think based on salary vs usefulness, he's probably the guy Ottawa would be most interested in as well.

So, would Philadelphia do:

Lecavalier
Grossman

for

Hoffman
Prince
2015 2nd round

Remember that Philadelphia is doing this to move salaries, not bodies. Their blueline already has Timonen, MacDonald, Streit, Coburn, Schenn. Grossman is a loss but the cap space they gain might be enough to allow them to do something else.

Also, I think Greening goes to Chicago for a draft pick at some point.

So, if something like that happened, then Ottawa goes into next year with 4 lines that look like this:

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Lecavalier-Chiasson
Lazar-Zibanejad-Stone
???-Smith-Condra

That ??? is a spot that could be filled by a number of guys in the system. Grant, Pageau, Puempel, Dzingel, Dziurzynski....I think Ryan Dzingel is a dark horse to make the team. He had a great final season in the NCAA, and might fill out that 4th line reasonably.

Anyways, the point is, I don't think Ottawa would struggle to score with those lines...it remains to be seen what happens on the blueline. I do expect Cowen and Wiercioch to be better this year.

I don't know any better than anyone else regarding how this season is going to play out, but I don't think focusing on the doom and gloom of the ownership and budget is worthwhile.
- the_terror

switch hoffman with borowiecki, and make it dallas' 2nd, and i'd do that deal.

Take Greening and/or Phillips/Neil and we have a deal.
- Sensfanlifer

Do you really want Lecavalier mopping around Ottawa for the next 3 years - he's had two teams quit on him in two years - this has Alex Kovalev written all over it, a player who's skates are in Ottawa but heart is in another city (or none existent)

Sidebar:

As a base, Claude Giroux for Bobby Ryan.

This is assuming Bobby signs an extension for his "home town" (even though he was raised in Cali and lives in Idaho during the off season) ('')

Ottawa would likely need to *sigh* shed salary to take Claude's contract, but is this trade possible?

Do you really want Lecavalier mopping around Ottawa for the next 3 years - he's had two teams quit on him in two years - this has Alex Kovalev written all over it, a player who's skates are in Ottawa but heart is in another city (or none existent)
- tuna99

except that if philly retains salary, we get him at less than half what kovalev was making.

kovalev is not the best example, he was brought in here to be a top line, 30 goal scorer after it was apparant that heatley wanted out. lecavalier wouldn't sniff the top six in ottawa unless someone was hurt.

if you put him on the 3rd line, he'll be fine.

Sidebar:

As a base, Claude Giroux for Bobby Ryan.

This is assuming Bobby signs an extension for his "home town" (even though he was raised in Cali and lives in Idaho during the off season) ('')

Ottawa would likely need to *sigh* shed salary to take Claude's contract, but is this trade possible?
- BetterThanWork

theres probably a zero % chance philly is gonna move giroux....

Sidebar:

As a base, Claude Giroux for Bobby Ryan.

This is assuming Bobby signs an extension for his "home town" (even though he was raised in Cali and lives in Idaho during the off season) ('')

Ottawa would likely need to *sigh* shed salary to take Claude's contract, but is this trade possible?
- BetterThanWork

not a chance.

i love ryan, but he's not worth giroux

Do you really want Lecavalier mopping around Ottawa for the next 3 years - he's had two teams quit on him in two years - this has Alex Kovalev written all over it, a player who's skates are in Ottawa but heart is in another city (or none existent)
- tuna99

another point is that vinny has a NMC.....which means if he gets traded to ottawa, it's because he wants to come here.

another point is that vinny has a NMC.....which means if he gets traded to ottawa, it's because he wants to come here.
- sensarmy_11

id probably rather have lecalvalier playing minutes over neil or greening....at least he has some actual NHL skill

Do you really want Lecavalier mopping around Ottawa for the next 3 years - he's had two teams quit on him in two years - this has Alex Kovalev written all over it, a player who's skates are in Ottawa but heart is in another city (or none existent)
- tuna99

I think that it is character assassination to compare Vincent Lecavalier to Alex Kovalev. Vinny has never had the reputation that Kovalev had. And Kovalev had that reputation from the time he played his first NHL game until the time he retired, which according to my phone notifications was about 30 minutes ago.

I don't think it's fair at all to say that Lecavalier's heart is elsewhere. He's a hockey player, perhaps he wouldn't be super stoked to be traded since he just signed a deal in Philadelphia to play there and now he's on the trade block, but I don't think he'd be a baby or a bad teammate if he came to Ottawa.

except that if philly retains salary, we get him at less than half what kovalev was making.

kovalev is not the best example, he was brought in here to be a top line, 30 goal scorer after it was apparant that heatley wanted out. lecavalier wouldn't sniff the top six in ottawa unless someone was hurt.

if you put him on the 3rd line, he'll be fine.
- sensarmy_11

Both slow, both over the hill, both playing for the money am not the love of the game, both can't play D and play on a daze 8 out of 10 games.

I just can't see Lecavalier being a success. He's 34 years old and hasn't had a + beside his name since he was 26 - an he was a +2.

We don't have room for guys to float around with our lineup. We need 20 warriors if we want to be a playoff team -19 warriors and 1 guy who's playing like he's high won't cut it.

I'm not a fan of the Lecavalier add - seems like it's a hopeful thing, we all think of him as the stud he once was and not the 1 dimensional player he is.

And we dont need him for the PP, Zibby and Turris can be our PP centres.

What you layed out is great, as well as the rational for it of why it would work. How ever Grossman(would help make the def a little more mean) unless we were to send a def back to Philly would just add to our already crowded def going into this season.
- Sensfanlifer

That's fair, and Ottawa might not be willing to take all that salary on without giving a little back, so maybe this is the time you add one of those dman contracts to the deal, probably Borowiecki.

Greening for Lecavalier? Idon't think i'd do it?
Does Lecavalier even want to play hockey anymore? I know he's in the habit of going to the rink, but when was the last time this guy played to win? 2009 probably!

I just can't see him being successful in Ottawa, he plays hockey in a daze now. We do have some type of identity going into next season - a no name team with size, decent speed and a group that will play together - Vincent is none of those things.
- tuna99

Tuna that is a fantastic post.

Welcome to the dark side of the hockey world. If an offer seems too good to be true in regard to a hockey trade...your getting screwed if you do it.

I think that it is character assassination to compare Vincent Lecavalier to Alex Kovalev. Vinny has never had the reputation that Kovalev had. And Kovalev had that reputation from the time he played his first NHL game until the time he retired, which according to my phone notifications was about 30 minutes ago.

I don't think it's fair at all to say that Lecavalier's heart is elsewhere. He's a hockey player, perhaps he wouldn't be super stoked to be traded since he just signed a deal in Philadelphia to play there and now he's on the trade block, but I don't think he'd be a baby or a bad teammate if he came to Ottawa.
- the_terror

Take Greening and/or Phillips/Neil and we have a deal.
- Sensfanlifer

We'll take Phillips and retain 1 mil

I think that it is character assassination to compare Vincent Lecavalier to Alex Kovalev. Vinny has never had the reputation that Kovalev had. And Kovalev had that reputation from the time he played his first NHL game until the time he retired, which according to my phone notifications was about 30 minutes ago.

I don't think it's fair at all to say that Lecavalier's heart is elsewhere. He's a hockey player, perhaps he wouldn't be super stoked to be traded since he just signed a deal in Philadelphia to play there and now he's on the trade block, but I don't think he'd be a baby or a bad teammate if he came to Ottawa.
- the_terror

i think something else to consider.........and having never been in an NHL lockerroom, not sure how important it is................but i believe if vinny was here, he'd be the only guy in the room who'd ever won a cup.

that might have a pretty positive impact on a lot of those younger guys, having someone there who's "done it before"

It's tricky in terms of Ottawa's cost per point, because he doesn't put up any points.