We'll take Phillips and retain 1 mil
- Just5

hold on, i'll get murray on the phone, and i'll even drive to philly to pick vinny up.

switch hoffman with borowiecki, and make it dallas' 2nd, and i'd do that deal.
- sensarmy_11

I think it would have to be the Dallas 2nd.

And I will say this, with the 12 forwards I laid out, I don't see room for Hoffman on the roster. So including him shouldn't matter much to Ottawa, especially since they've still got enough prospect depth to backfill his minutes.

Keeping prospects indefinitely isn't wise. If a guy doesn't stand to be an impact for your team, or is getting squeezed out by the numbers game, then you shouldn't be afraid to move him to shore up other positions. Hoffman is good enough to warrant a one-way deal and be on a NHL roster, but Ottawa can't find a spot for him in their lineup, and I don't suspect they'll be able to in the near future either, not with the guys I just laid out. So you move him to improve your blueline and your secondary scoring with a couple of experienced players. Not a bad move at all.

not a chance.

i love ryan, but he's not worth giroux
- sensarmy_11

PPG, age, and Ryan's new contract (wherever he signs it), are all very comparable.

I agree the Giroux has a better attitude and leadership, but with a cap friendly addition to the sens side, I think it could get done.

Ryan (extended)
Cowen

Giroux

I think 2M/year is the ceiling and 3M/year is the floor.

I think that it is character assassination to compare Vincent Lecavalier to Alex Kovalev. Vinny has never had the reputation that Kovalev had. And Kovalev had that reputation from the time he played his first NHL game until the time he retired, which according to my phone notifications was about 30 minutes ago.

I don't think it's fair at all to say that Lecavalier's heart is elsewhere. He's a hockey player, perhaps he wouldn't be super stoked to be traded since he just signed a deal in Philadelphia to play there and now he's on the trade block, but I don't think he'd be a baby or a bad teammate if he came to Ottawa.
- the_terror

Kovalev was in the Hart trophy talk in his 2nd last season in Montreal (carbo coaching) at least Kovalev showed some willingness to lead and get a team somewhere

It's tricky in terms of Ottawa's cost per point, because he doesn't put up any points.
- Mikelly_18

20 goals and 40 pts last year...........would have been like 4th on our team in goals, maybe 5th

I think it would have to be the Dallas 2nd.

And I will say this, with the 12 forwards I laid out, I don't see room for Hoffman on the roster. So including him shouldn't matter much to Ottawa, especially since they've still got enough prospect depth to backfill his minutes.

Keeping prospects indefinitely isn't wise. If a guy doesn't stand to be an impact for your team, or is getting squeezed out by the numbers game, then you shouldn't be afraid to move him to shore up other positions. Hoffman is good enough to warrant a one-way deal and be on a NHL roster, but Ottawa can't find a spot for him in their lineup, and I don't suspect they'll be able to in the near future either, not with the guys I just laid out. So you move him to improve your blueline and your secondary scoring with a couple of experienced players. Not a bad move at all.
- the_terror

you also said greeing would get shipped out...........and a d-man HAS to go if grossman is coming back, sens can't have 8-9 d-men on 1-way deals.

Kovalev was in the Hart trophy talk in his 2nd last season in Montreal (carbo coaching) at least Kovalev showed some willingness to lead and get a team somewhere
- tuna99

Come on, only Montreal journalists thought Kovalev would have been a Hart candidate. Everyone everywhere else knew what he actually was. Great skill, crummy attitude. I just don't think Vincent Lecavalier can be painted with that brush.

Sorry... I was just hopeful for something good to come to the Sens and you had my hopes up...
- riceroni

Me too, you think were down, trust me Sens brass are too.

you also said greeing would get shipped out...........and a d-man HAS to go if grossman is coming back, sens can't have 8-9 d-men on 1-way deals.
- sensarmy_11

Yup, tack Borowiecki on, but don't take Hoffman out.

hold on, i'll get murray on the phone, and i'll even drive to philly to pick vinny up.
- sensarmy_11

Ok last try. How good a player is and what the market pays are not the same thing. Sharp is a good player but he has nearly a $6m cap hit and $18m remaining. He is 33 years of age. So, the market discounts the contract because of age and the weight of that contract. Chicago wants Smith, they need a #3 center. Smith is on a great contract, would give them great relief.

LeCavalier has $18m left on a deal over 4 years. As an asset he has negative value. Flyers will give him to you for nothing plus add a pick if you take him on your team.

You are keen to take both Sharp and LaCavalier. I oppose both deals, especially in Sharp's case if it involves giving up any top prospects (eg Lazar).

I advocated the trade of Spezza and I am very happy with the Dallas deal.

Just assume that we profoundly disagree on what Ottawa is trying to do.

I think Murray is doing a fantastic job. Perhaps you don't.

Come on, only Montreal journalists thought Kovalev would have been a Hart candidate. Everyone everywhere else knew what he actually was. Great skill, crummy attitude. I just don't think Vincent Lecavalier can be painted with that brush.
- the_terror

Just seems to me it doesn't make sense to have Lecavalier here - he's a name but like Kovalev it reeks of desperation and I can't see it going well for either side

Just seems to me it doesn't make sense to have Lecavalier here - he's a name but like Kovalev it reeks of desperation and I can't see it going well for either side
- tuna99

And that's a fair opinion, I actually don't disagree with you completely. It would depend on how he is utilized.

What I don't agree with you is that he's got the same attitude as Kovalev. I agree that it has the reek of desperation by acquiring a 'name', but I don't think their personalities are in any way comparable.

Just seems to me it doesn't make sense to have Lecavalier here - he's a name but like Kovalev it reeks of desperation and I can't see it going well for either side
- tuna99

IMO, the difference is that they would be brought in to play VERY different roles.

kovalev was brought in to play with spezza on teh top line.....while lecavalier would be brought in as a veteran presence (for half the price of kovalev) to play on the 3rd line.

he's obviously not going to play ahead of zibby, turris, ryan, macarthur, chiasson, and whoever the other top six winger will be.

Ok last try. How good a player is and what the market pays are not the same thing. Sharp is a good player but he has nearly a $6m cap hit and $18m remaining. He is 33 years of age. So, the market discounts the contract because of age and the weight of that contract. Chicago wants Smith, they need a #3 center. Smith is on a great contract, would give them great relief.

LeCavalier has $18m left on a deal over 4 years. As an asset he has negative value. Flyers will give him to you for nothing plus add a pick if you take him on your team.

You are keen to take both Sharp and LaCavalier. I oppose both deals, especially in Sharp's case if it involves giving up any top prospects (eg Lazar).

I advocated the trade of Spezza and I am very happy with the Dallas deal.

Just assume that we profoundly disagree on what Ottawa is trying to do.

I think Murray is doing a fantastic job. Perhaps you don't.
- spatso

i know that you copied this from another thread, but i'll answer here too.

i never once said i wanted murray to acquire sharp, in fact i spoke strongly against that deal, simply based on the fact that bringing him in, at the cost of lazar (not smith) didn't make sense.

the issue i (and gord) took with what you wrote was that you FLAT OUT said that trading Zach Smith for Patrick Sharp was a fair deal. market be dammned, there is no (frank)ing chance that smith on his best day is worth half of patrick sharp. if you can't realize that, then i'm sorry, but you're way out to lunch.

20 goals and 40 pts last year...........would have been like 4th on our team in goals, maybe 5th
- sensarmy_11

I was talking about Lehner haha.

I wonder if the strategy is not to leave all the cap space to load up of FA's from next year's highly anticipated FA pool.

I was talking about Lehner haha.

I wonder if the strategy is not to leave all the cap space to load up of FA's from next year's highly anticipated FA pool.
- Mikelly_18

pfft, referencing the actual blog in the message board.........(frank)ing newb....

And that's a fair opinion, I actually don't disagree with you completely. It would depend on how he is utilized.

What I don't agree with you is that he's got the same attitude as Kovalev. I agree that it has the reek of desperation by acquiring a 'name', but I don't think their personalities are in any way comparable.
- the_terror

On ice personalities are pretty similar, neither ever learned to play D - their off ice stuff I have no does about - I see people here saying Giroux is a nice guy, I hear the opposite in Ottawa that he's a complete jerk. So who knows, after a Alfie dumped me I really don't think you can judge their personalities just what you are on the ice - and they play pretty similar

SensChirp @SensChirp
Rumours! RT @GSmi26 at dev camp, saw prince go into a private room with GM"s. Trade?

On ice personalities are pretty similar, neither ever learned to play D - their off ice stuff I have no does about - I see people here saying Giroux is a nice guy, I hear the opposite in Ottawa that he's a complete jerk. So who knows, after a Alfie dumped me I really don't think you can judge their personalities just what you are on the ice - and they play pretty similar
- tuna99

Ask the cop outside of Cabin. Giroux is verrrry friendly haha.

Seriously though, met him at a golf course in Navan, very kind to fans.

SensChirp @SensChirp
Rumours! RT @GSmi26 at dev camp, saw prince go into a private room with GM"s. Trade?
- LouSens

Someone posted that in the sabres board as well. Seems like Stewart has been rumoured to go to the sens for a while and prince is from Rochester so I could see a deal around those two pieces go down. No sources or anything just a hunch

Someone posted that in the sabres board as well. Seems like Stewart has been rumoured to go to the sens for a while and prince is from Rochester so I could see a deal around those two pieces go down. No sources or anything just a hunch
- Pegullaville

Would make sense, it's been discussed by send fans in the past as well...

Someone posted that in the sabres board as well. Seems like Stewart has been rumoured to go to the sens for a while and prince is from Rochester so I could see a deal around those two pieces go down. No sources or anything just a hunch
- Pegullaville

I don't think just Prince would be involved on Ottawa's end. If someone could light a fire under Stewart's butt or he learned possession he would be a useful player if we are going with the youth and size scenario.

Someone posted that in the sabres board as well. Seems like Stewart has been rumoured to go to the sens for a while and prince is from Rochester so I could see a deal around those two pieces go down. No sources or anything just a hunch
- Pegullaville

Apparently Prince asked for a trade or told the team he wasn't happy playing his role in bingo - wouldn't be surprised if he is on the block

Me too, you think were down, trust me Sens brass are too.
- Cup 06

Tough environment given the financial cloud hanging over the Senators. Trust me it will get worse before it gets better. Agents are essentially accountants with law degrees. Melnyk makes them very nervous and it is easier just to avoid Ottawa.

The good news is that Murray is taking the opportunity to reshape the team. Young, big, fast. I like the team and they will be competitive next year. The finances will get fixed. They always do. Melnyk will be gone and this team will be very, very good.

Remember, Ottawa actually did more than the LA Kings this summer.