Grabs popcorn and a comfy seat to watch Sensarmy vs Spatso

Grabs popcorn and a comfy seat to watch Sensarmy vs Spatso
- Sensfanlifer

pass some over here.

Spasto's meltdown this offseason is fantastic.

Let it go spats i get what you are saying,Chicago,s target is and has been Zsmith,with us losing a center in spezza his value to the team is worth far more.Than what his precieved value is
- top shelf 15

No market value! What it actually costs to do the deal! Spezza went for a second line player, 2 mid level prospects and a 2nd round pick. His market value is exactly that, nothing more, nothing less.

Remember the warning. Murray does not (will not) hit a home run with Spezza.

Chicago will get no better than Chiasson and a couple of mid levels as well. Smith has more value than Chiasson. And, when Sharp gets traded somewhere all you guys will pretend that you knew he wasn't worth more than third line center (Franz Neilssen of the Islanders for example).

Why are we fighting each other??? Senarmy ,sails a destroyer.We should be setting sail for the Barbado,s and shelling a certain dead beat owner,s home

No market value! What it actually costs to do the deal! Spezza went for a second line player, 2 mid level prospects and a 2nd round pick. His market value is exactly that, nothing more, nothing less.

Remember the warning. Murray does not (will not) hit a home run with Spezza.

Chicago will get no better than Chiasson and a couple of mid levels as well. Smith has more value than Chiasson. And, when Sharp gets traded somewhere all you guys will pretend that you knew he wasn't worth more than third line center (Franz Neilssen of the Islanders for example).
- spatso

Sharp,s value will be set by teams that are in the market for him .Most likely a contender ,we arent a contender so no way will we set the market for him

No market value! What it actually costs to do the deal! Spezza went for a second line player, 2 mid level prospects and a 2nd round pick. His market value is exactly that, nothing more, nothing less.

Remember the warning. Murray does not (will not) hit a home run with Spezza.

Chicago will get no better than Chiasson and a couple of mid levels as well. Smith has more value than Chiasson. And, when Sharp gets traded somewhere all you guys will pretend that you knew he wasn't worth more than third line center (Franz Neilssen of the Islanders for example).
- spatso

That is a little much saying Sharp won't command much when you consider what lesser players got in the FA market, let alone a garuntee'd pure goal scorer with leadership qualities. Sharp is a bonified top 6 fwd, top 3 on most teams. He would command more then Spezza for a return due to being on a remotely decent multi year deal.

Also Spezza's return was low as we held out trying to create a bidding war and ended up getting lesser value then we expected as teams found other alternatives.

pass some over here.

Spasto's meltdown this offseason is fantastic.
- Feeling Glucky?

Last year these guys were trying to tell me Melnyk was solvent and everything is fine.

No market value! What it actually costs to do the deal! Spezza went for a second line player, 2 mid level prospects and a 2nd round pick. His market value is exactly that, nothing more, nothing less.

Remember the warning. Murray does not (will not) hit a home run with Spezza.

Chicago will get no better than Chiasson and a couple of mid levels as well. Smith has more value than Chiasson. And, when Sharp gets traded somewhere all you guys will pretend that you knew he wasn't worth more than third line center (Franz Neilssen of the Islanders for example).
- spatso

I'm on your side here but spezza's return wasn't necessarily market value because you are only dealing with 19 teams and almost for sure Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg and Nashville would of paid more to get him the on Dallas did so each situation is different - the market wasn't fully open so it may not Have been full value - same with Heatley deal we know the Edmonton return was better on talent and more cap friendly
Not sure if Sharpe has the same clause or even worse -

Spasto's meltdown this offseason is fantastic.
- Feeling Glucky?

I do not think it is a meltdown.

It sounds to me like he believes he is so much smarter than everyone else because he can throw together a few words, pull an argument out of his arse and stand back and amire his work. When everyone disagrees with him he talks down to people or calls them stupid for disagreeing with him.

That is not a meltdown. That is simply being a useless wind bag.

I do not think it is a meltdown.

It sounds to me like he believes he is so much smarter than everyone else because he can throw together a few words, pull an argument out of his arse and stand back and amire his work. When everyone disagrees with him he talks down to people or calls them stupid for disagreeing with him.

That is not a meltdown. That is simply being a useless wind bag.
- HoweHatrick

He still pretends to be a Leafs fan, just admiring how good the sens are, and how he wishes we were like them.

Everyone knows the schtick, but he doesn't stop.

I do not think it is a meltdown.

It sounds to me like he believes he is so much smarter than everyone else because he can throw together a few words, pull an argument out of his arse and stand back and amire his work. When everyone disagrees with him he talks down to people or calls them stupid for disagreeing with him.

That is not a meltdown. That is simply being a useless wind bag.
- HoweHatrick

Yeah those fancy internet words people use get to me too

That is a little much saying Sharp won't command much when you consider what lesser players got in the FA market, let alone a garuntee'd pure goal scorer with leadership qualities. Sharp is a bonified top 6 fwd, top 3 on most teams. He would command more then Spezza for a return due to being on a remotely decent multi year deal.
- Sensfanlifer

But, it is not Sharp that is being undervalued. These guys don't understand how valuable Smith would have been as a UFA on the open market this week. His contract at $1.9m makes him especially valuable to a top cap spending team.

Most Cup contenders don't have the cap space to do a deal for Sharp (3 years at $6m).

Oh, I forgot to add regurgitating other people's work/opinions and claiming them as his own. He has that nailed down too.

We shouldnt be the team that makes the first offer for sharp,let the contenders dictate what they are willing to pay .We are not ready to compete so why would we offer more than a contending team ??Nashville offered way more than others did in the west did they not ??we shouldnt be doing this

But, it is not Sharp that is being undervalued. These guys don't understand how valuable Smith would have been as a UFA on the open market this week. His contract at $1.9m makes him especially valuable to a top cap spending team.

Most Cup contenders don't have the cap space to do a deal for Sharp (3 years at $6m).
- spatso

I don't disagree with you that Smith's value because of his contract is great for what he can bring to a team but even with that being said. Smith alone even to a cash strapped team would not command a elite player as a return.

Most Cup contenders don't have the cap space to do a deal for Sharp (3 years at $6m).
- spatso

Great logic. That only leaves a dozen or more other teams interested.

Sharp,s value will be set by teams that are in the market for him .Most likely a contender ,we arent a contender so no way will we set the market for him

- top shelf 15

I think you guys are forgetting that there's only one reason Chicago would even entertain trading Sharp: to save money. Suitors would know this, and would know that Kane and Toews have big extensions coming up that Chicago needs space for. Obviously he's a good player and would be a great addition to most teams - but teams also know that there's a whiff of desperation in Chicago's motive to move him, which will impact his value. If he's moved, it won't be for his fair market value.

That said, Smith alone wouldn't do it. But I think Smith, a prospect or 2, and a pick would get it done. Not really what he's worth, but what Chicago would need to do if they do trade him for cap purposes.

I'm on your side here but spezza's return wasn't necessarily market value because you are only dealing with 19 teams and almost for sure Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg and Nashville would of paid more to get him the on Dallas did so each situation is different - the market wasn't fully open so it may not Have been full value - same with Heatley deal we know the Edmonton return was better on talent and more cap friendly
Not sure if Sharpe has the same clause or even worse -
- tuna99

Exactly, that is how a market is structured. Markets always have bias and never are fair. Sharp is a great fit for a contending team but most of them can't handle the cap hit. Like Philadelphia and LaCavalier Chicago can't take back any money. They need a third line center. The market is conditioned by need and financial variable.

I don't disagree with you that Smith's value because of his contract is great for what he can bring to a team but even with that being said. Smith alone even to a cash strapped team would not command a elite player as a return.
- Sensfanlifer

+1

I think thered be a few teams lined up for Smith if he was available. He's a good 3rd line center

The issue is that 3rd line centers don't command a whole lot of return in trades.

I think you guys are forgetting that there's only one reason Chicago would even entertain trading Sharp: to save money. Suitors would know this, and would know that Kane and Toews have big extensions coming up that Chicago needs space for. Obviously he's a good player and would be a great addition to most teams - but teams also know that there's a whiff of desperation in Chicago's motive to move him, which will impact his value. If he's moved, it won't be for his fair market value.
- TreeSens

Right on!

+1

I think thered be a few teams lined up for Smith if he was available. He's a good 3rd line center

The issue is that 3rd line centers don't command a whole lot of return in trades.
- david22

In fact, there is a bigger market for Smith than there is for Sharp. He is a good third line center at $1.9m. Not many around that could have lined up against the bottom 2 lines of LA and done okay. There will be other teams calling about Smith.

Exactly, that is how a market is structured. Markets always have bias and never are fair. Sharp is a great fit for a contending team but most of them can't handle the cap hit. Like Philadelphia and LaCavalier Chicago can't take back any money. They need a third line center. The market is conditioned by need and financial variable.
- spatso

Markets, eh? Like the free agent market that is giving out "cap friendly" ~$5M (some of them long term) contracts to players like Orpik, Quincey, Niskanen, etc. That market?

Markets are not at all as simple as you state or pretend to understand.

The funny thing about Sharp and rumors is.

1: he does not want to be traded
2: his agent went straight to the GM and asked for assurance he was not being moved.
3: they would need to ask him to waive his clause partial/full not sure
4: Chi still has another year to figure out Kane and Toews worst case they keep Sharp till TDL if anything but I do not see them letting him go when he was a playoff beast for them when they want to make a push this season for the cup again.

Plus Chi market for paying a little more for Smith shrank when they signed B. Richards to a 2m contract.

Great logic. That only leaves a dozen or more other teams interested.
- HoweHatrick

We could have traded spezza to 20 teams but in the end only a few called

We could have traded spezza to 20 teams but in the end only a few called

- top shelf 15

No, spezza could not have been traded to 20 teams - there is are many reasons why only a few called. Many more teams will be interested in Sharp over Spezza. That is pretty much the point of the last two pages.