I don't disagree with you that Smith's value because of his contract is great for what he can bring to a team but even with that being said. Smith alone even to a cash strapped team would not command a elite player as a return.
- Sensfanlifer

All I have ever said is that a deal between Chicago and Ottawa (as suggested by the Chicago blogger) would essentially be a deal that would be Smith for Sharp. You can add whatever window dressing but there would be no prime prospect (Lazar) You can make it look however you want but Chicago wants Smith at that salary, especially for the year after.

All I have ever said is that a deal between Chicago and Ottawa (as suggested by the Chicago blogger) would essentially be a deal that would be Smith for Sharp. You can add whatever window dressing but there would be no prime prospect (Lazar) You can make it look however you want but Chicago wants Smith at that salary, especially for the year after.
- spatso

In what world?

No, spezza could not have been traded to 20 teams - there is are many reasons why only a few called. Many more teams will be interested in Sharp over Spezza. That is pretty much the point of the last two pages.
- HoweHatrick

Really? Why? Vanek got Reiger a boat load and Snow a golf bag - who knows where the market is at

All I have ever said is that a deal between Chicago and Ottawa (as suggested by the Chicago blogger) would essentially be a deal that would be Smith for Sharp. You can add whatever window dressing but there would be no prime prospect (Lazar) You can make it look however you want but Chicago wants Smith at that salary, especially for the year after.
- spatso

Where is the link to the Chicago blogger?

Markets, eh? Like the free agent market that is giving out "cap friendly" ~$5M (some of them long term) contracts to players like Orpik, Quincey, Niskanen, etc. That market?

Markets are not at all as simple as you state or pretend to understand.
- HoweHatrick

Your actually beginning to get it. The crazy market is killing the top cap teams. They have not been able to sign anyone. The market value on Smith at $1.9 is right through the roof for a team that is having difficulty fitting their players under the cap.

In what world?
- sbroads24

Spatso's world.

I think you guys are forgetting that there's only one reason Chicago would even entertain trading Sharp: to save money. Suitors would know this, and would know that Kane and Toews have big extensions coming up that Chicago needs space for. Obviously he's a good player and would be a great addition to most teams - but teams also know that there's a whiff of desperation in Chicago's motive to move him, which will impact his value. If he's moved, it won't be for his fair market value.

That said, Smith alone wouldn't do it. But I think Smith, a prospect or 2, and a pick would get it done. Not really what he's worth, but what Chicago would need to do if they do trade him for cap purposes.
- TreeSens

the hawks have lots of guys they can move, they don't HAVE to move sharp. trade oduya and bickell and that clears up more space then moving sharp and you lose 2 less valuable players.

they want to move sharp because he not only clears space but has lots of value.

No, spezza could not have been traded to 20 teams - there is are many reasons why only a few called. Many more teams will be interested in Sharp over Spezza. That is pretty much the point of the last two pages.
- HoweHatrick

How do you know that??point is you dont .To speculate whom would get more interest is moot ,Ottawa isnt and shouldnt be trading another center for an aging winger whom would have no interest in playing here anyhow

Your actually beginning to get it. The crazy market is killing the top cap teams. They have not been able to sign anyone. The market value on Smith at $1.9 is right through the roof for a team that is having difficulty fitting their players under the cap.
- spatso

No offense, but you are high to think that Zack Smith would be the main piece in getting a player of Sharp's caliber.

Where is the link to the Chicago blogger?
- HoweHatrick

Rumor: Chicago-Ottawa Blockbuster Discussed
"Basic parameters of deal would be: Patrick Sharp and Nick Leddy to Ottawa for Colin Greening, Zack Smith and 2013 1st round selection, Curtis Lazar. I have heard of Hawk interest in Greening and Smith now from two separate sources in the U.S. and Canada."
-John Jaeckel
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Your actually beginning to get it. The crazy market is killing the top cap teams. They have not been able to sign anyone. The market value on Smith at $1.9 is right through the roof for a team that is having difficulty fitting their players under the cap.
- spatso

No, you are not even close here.

You go on and on about contending/cap teams not being able to take a run at Sharp. What about the rest of the league? I know it is much easier to ignore 50% of the league when designing your posts so we will not let that get in the way.

Rumor: Chicago-Ottawa Blockbuster Discussed
"Basic parameters of deal would be: Patrick Sharp and Nick Leddy to Ottawa for Colin Greening, Zack Smith and 2013 1st round selection, Curtis Lazar. I have heard of Hawk interest in Greening and Smith now from two separate sources in the U.S. and Canada."
-John Jaeckel
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- spatso[312] | Chicago Blackhawks Payroll

Seems to me that his opinion places Sharp's vaule "slightly" higher than your posts. Yes, you have said no lazar, but that blog clearly includes him. slective reading is not going to help you frame the argument.

All I have ever said is that a deal between Chicago and Ottawa (as suggested by the Chicago blogger) would essentially be a deal that would be Smith for Sharp. You can add whatever window dressing but there would be no prime prospect (Lazar) You can make it look however you want but Chicago wants Smith at that salary, especially for the year after.
- spatso

Smith fills a need for the 3rd line. Who would play as the second line center in this scenario?

No, you are not even close to have ever "got it".

You go on and on about contending/cap teams not being able to take a run at Sharp. What about the rest of the league? I know it is much easier to ignore 50% of the league when designing your posts so we will not let that get in the way.
- HoweHatrick

Sorry, but this is merely a continuation of the Chicago thread that proposed a deal involving Sharp to Ottawa.

Seems to me that his opinion places Sharp's vaule "slightly" higher than your posts. Yes, you have said no lazar, but that blog clearly includes him. slective reading is not going to help you frame the argument.
- HoweHatrick

Not so. Did you not see the inclusion of Leddy?

Sorry, but this is merely a continuation of the Chicago thread that proposed a deal involving Sharp to Ottawa.
- spatso

Which you claim is basically a Smith for Sharp deal with window dressing.

The blog you quoted does not.

Not so. Did you not see the inclusion of Leddy?
- spatso

Sure did. How does that translate to Sharp for Smith and nothing more than window dressing? Leddy? Lazar? Window dressing?

So how bout that Lehner kid eh?

Now you are conflicting with your own posts.

All I have ever said is that a deal between Chicago and Ottawa (as suggested by the Chicago blogger) would essentially be a deal that would be Smith for Sharp. You can add whatever window dressing but there would be no prime prospect (Lazar) You can make it look however you want but Chicago wants Smith at that salary, especially for the year after.
- spatso

So how bout that Lehner kid eh?
- Sensfanlifer

Sens blogs are getting 100+ hits a day. thats new

Seems to me that his opinion places Sharp's vaule "slightly" higher than your posts.
- HoweHatrick

Again nobody is saying sharp isnt worth more he is .But the reason chicago came to us in the first place ,is because we can offer more pieces chicago needs to keep their cup window open .IE;high draft picks ,quality prospects and young cheap nhl players .So again why do we have to make a huge offer on Sharp??when it was chicago that came to us first

Why would you give up more for Sharp than Ottawa got for Spezza?

What is wrong with you guys?
- spatso

I wouldn't give up much for Sharp off the Sens roster, that isn't my point.

some other team will give up much more than that, is what I'm saying.

The bidding would quickly outpace what we, and what Murray, would pay.

Between Travis's writings and the recent rumors it sets up wonderful debates giving everyone something to do or talk about with how inactive the Sens have been

No market value! What it actually costs to do the deal! Spezza went for a second line player, 2 mid level prospects and a 2nd round pick. His market value is exactly that, nothing more, nothing less.

Remember the warning. Murray does not (will not) hit a home run with Spezza.

Chicago will get no better than Chiasson and a couple of mid levels as well. Smith has more value than Chiasson. And, when Sharp gets traded somewhere all you guys will pretend that you knew he wasn't worth more than third line center (Franz Neilssen of the Islanders for example).
- spatso

This is what you said in November

As they go deeper into the season more and more people will understand the benefit from dealing Spezza. The return would be enormous. At the beginning of the season I thought that the deal with Columbus for Johanson and Voracek might happen. Now, i believe Senator fans should be wary of any deal in reverse. Perhaps columbus might be looking to move Nash for a #1 pick and an elite prospect. Ottawa should not do that deal. If the Senators want to play for a Stanley Cup 5 to 7 years out they need to operate from the understanding that their current leaders like Spezza and Michalek will be long gone. I think they can take a run at a playoff spot in 3 years.
- spatso

Again nobody is saying sharp isnt worth more he is .But the reason chicago came to us in the first place ,is because we can offer more pieces chicago needs to keep their cup window open .IE;high draft picks ,quality prospects and young cheap nhl players .So again why do we have to make a huge offer on Sharp??when it was chicago that came to us first

- top shelf 15

No one says a huge offer needs to be made. What is being said is a straight Sharp for Smith is not lilely as suggested by Spatso.