Again nobody is saying sharp isnt worth more he is .But the reason chicago came to us in the first place ,is because we can offer more pieces chicago needs to keep their cup window open .IE;high draft picks ,quality prospects and young cheap nhl players .So again why do we have to make a huge offer on Sharp??when it was chicago that came to us first

- top shelf 15

That rumor was created before Chi signed Richards I believe. Granted I heard that rumor earlier in the season as well they were looking into him. They have Richards now to fill that void they do not Smith now like before they would like to have him due to his cheap contract. How ever they have Shaw, Regin, Handzus, Kruger still as well.

I wouldn't give up much for Sharp off the Sens roster, that isn't my point.

some other team will give up much more than that, is what I'm saying.

The bidding would quickly outpace what we, and what Murray, would pay.
- TommyDeVito

Yep nobody including spats is saying sharp isnt a very good scoring winger ,and should command a high value .But it shouldnt be us making the first pitch on him ,Chicago had been rumored to have approached us first ,and we shot their proposed deal down as we should have

I could totally see Murray making that Lazar + trade for Sharp

Sure did. How does that translate to Sharp for Smith and nothing more than window dressing? Leddy? Lazar? Window dressing?
- HoweHatrick

JJ the Chicago blogger reported a rumor (two sources) that Chicago wanted to do Sharp and Leddy for Smith, Greening and a prospect (Lazar). Subsequent to that it was agreed that Murray might have been talking about this deal when he said at the press conference we took the name if that prospect out and gave them a different list.

So, if we assume that Greening and Leddy are peripheral to the deal it comes down to the deal being essentially Smith for Sharp. Now if you want to call it as Sharp and Leddy for Smith, Greening and Prince, it is really Smith for Sharp.

That rumor was created before Chi signed Richards I believe. Granted I heard that rumor earlier in the season as well they were looking into him. They have Richards now to fill that void they do not Smith now like before they would like to have him due to his cheap contract. How ever they have Shaw, Regin, Handzus, Kruger still as well.
- Sensfanlifer

Yep Richards was probably plan B ,when we turned them down they went elsewhere which suits me fine .Sharp isnt a player we need to blow a ton on right now ,his remaining good years would be wasted here

JJ the Chicago blogger reported a rumor (two sources) that Chicago wanted to do Sharp and Leddy for Smith, Greening and a prospect (Lazar). Subsequent to that it was agreed that Murray might have been talking about this deal when he said at the press conference we took the name if that prospect out and gave them a different list.

So, if we assume that Greening and Leddy are peripheral to the deal it comes down to the deal being essentially Smith for Sharp. Now if you want to call it as Sharp and Leddy for Smith, Greening and Prince, it is really Smith for Sharp.
- spatso

So, by that logic, you are saying Leddy = Greening. Correct?

The big obstacle here is that the prospect is key. You cannot gloss that over. The Hawks will simply pass without the prospect they want.

I could totally see Murray making that Lazar + trade for Sharp
- david22

The fanbase is already close to all out revolt right now ,this might have us torching CTC

So, by that logic, you are saying Leddy = Greening. Correct?
- HoweHatrick

To us yes ,we have 8 nhl defensemen signed ,we dont need another might be good guy back there .He holds little value to us

Not so. Did you not see the inclusion of Leddy?
- spatso

So, you took out the most valuable piece on our end, and the least valuable piece on their end, and call it a day?

That's not how trades work.

So, you took out the most valuable piece on our end, and the least valuable piece on their end, and call it a day?

That's not how trades work.
- TommyDeVito

Haha. Exactly. I was going to simply walk him into that point but this is pretty much where I was going.

So, by that logic, you are saying Leddy = Greening. Correct?

The big obstacle here is that the prospect is key. You cannot gloss that over. The Hawks will simply pass without the prospect they want.
- HoweHatrick

Exactly that is where Lazar if he was the rumored prospect hold key in that essentially 2 for 2 deal. Why is he the x factor, because he is so highly touted right now as a potential TWF stud like Toews that Chi would part with a player like Sharp for him if he was in the deal. Otherwise it would be like what was proposed earlier in the year as a rumor where it was

Ott
Smith
Greening

for

Chi
Versteeg or Bickell
Oduya

This is what you said in November
- prock

That is absolutely fair. But remember I was pushing trading him long before he asked to be traded. I thought they made a huge mistake by not trading him at the deadline. Two years ago there was great hostility when I said it was time to trade Spezza.

Leafs should trade Santorelli for Sharp.

His low contract, and decent point production makes him very valuable to a team like Chicago.

That is absolutely fair. But remember I was pushing trading him long before he asked to be traded. I thought they made a huge mistake by not trading him at the deadline. Two years ago there was great hostility when I said it was time to trade Spezza.
- spatso

I see, so you think it was the trade request that did it.... interesting. Has Patrick Sharp asked to be traded?

So, by that logic, you are saying Leddy = Greening. Correct?

The big obstacle here is that the prospect is key. You cannot gloss that over. The Hawks will simply pass without the prospect they want.
- HoweHatrick

Correct. And if the prospect is a mid range pick it is an add on. The core deal is Smith for Sharp. That is the part the Hawks want. Everything else is window dressing. They have no illusion on the availability of Lazar.

So, you took out the most valuable piece on our end, and the least valuable piece on their end, and call it a day?

That's not how trades work.
- TommyDeVito

No it isnt you are right but Zsmith holds more value right now to us, than what his return in any trade involving a winger that is older and more expensive .Chicago wants to say he is a 4th liner,and give us a return that suits one .This why we are adding Lazar and Greening,HENSE NO DEAL

Yep Richards was probably plan B ,when we turned them down they went elsewhere which suits me fine .Sharp isnt a player we need to blow a ton on right now ,his remaining good years would be wasted here

- top shelf 15

No they still have need of a third line center.

Leafs should trade Santorelli for Sharp.

His low contract, and decent point production makes him very valuable to a team like Chicago.
- Feeling Glucky?

Ok so if they said include Reilly ,WOULD YOU DO IT???

That is absolutely fair. But remember I was pushing trading him long before he asked to be traded. I thought they made a huge mistake by not trading him at the deadline. Two years ago there was great hostility when I said it was time to trade Spezza.
- spatso

This is simply inaacurate. Spezza was most certainly having discussions about be moved before the deadline. He had a list in 2 years ago.

Murray made that situation much worse than it had to be. Trading him at the dealing is still just a rental situation and his value would not have been all that different.

No they still have need of a third line center.
- spatso

Why would it be classified as a need when they have Shaw, Kruger, Regin, Handzus?

So, by that logic, you are saying Leddy = Greening. Correct?

The big obstacle here is that the prospect is key. You cannot gloss that over. The Hawks will simply pass without the prospect they want.
- HoweHatrick

I don't know why this is taking so long to explain.

I see, so you think it was the trade request that did it.... interesting. Has Patrick Sharp asked to be traded?
- prock

No, exact opposite. He does not want to be traded and his agent has gone public saying he does not want to be traded. He has a limited no trade contract.

I see, so you think it was the trade request that did it.... interesting. Has Patrick Sharp asked to be traded?
- prock

All reports are a resounding "no" on that front. Why would he want to leave a perennial contender?

No they still have need of a third line center.
- spatso

And yes they want Smith cant say i blame them he is great .But the need for Sharp on our end ,wont be in line to what else they will be asking along with Smith .

I don't know why this is taking so long to explain.
- TommyDeVito

I think you can figure that out by reading his posts.