I get the feeling Miller is a luxury "stop gap" of sorts, which we "had" the money to spend on. Lack should be on the move this summer to a team desperate for goaltending (looking at you WPG). Adding Miller without giving up assets while moving a decent goalie with upside (that is not ready for the 60+ starts required with Markstrom as a backup, would likely get shelled next year, and would be around 30 when our younger players are ready to make an impact) for an asset is good management IMO. That being said, who knows what Benning will actually do, just seems to make sense to me.
- eternalcashflow

This

Combined with a possible 30 goal year out of vrbata and we can flog him at the deadline next year for more youth. Miller will be here until demko is ready in 3 years time. Both great signings

Miller seems like a mistake to me at this point, I really don't like the idea of a 6 million dollar 33 year old goalie in this league anymore. I think that he has declined over the last couple of years and might get torn apart in this division. He isn't very large and IMO is a little oversensitive, what happens SJ, LA, ANH all start crashing the net as they like to do?

One of the things I like about Lack the most ( and Schneider for what its worth) is their sense of calmness in the net, Luongo never had it and I don't think Miller does either.

That said if some more moves are made and some players up their games he could be good enough to return us to the playoffs while letting our youth develop. I have doubts about Bonino being a legit 2nd line C and think Santorelli would of been pretty good insurance at 1.5.
- belcherbd

Great point, in particular

This

Combined with a possible 30 goal year out of vrbata and we can flog him at the deadline next year for more youth. Miller will be here until demko is ready in 3 years time. Both great signings
- The_Kuze

I think you might be a little over optimistic. Since 2001, Vrbata has had only ONE 30 goal season (35 in 2011). To me, that doesn't exactly strike me as any sort of game-changer (although I will concede that if he plays with the Sedins his totals should bump up accordingly)

I think he's logged a lot of miles and, unlike the Sedins, his bread and butter is speed, which is one of the first things to erode. At 33, most players that purely rely on skating are basically on the fast track to obscurity. Fortunately, he might not have to do very much of that if he's a staple on the power-play and still has good hands. You don't need to be a great skater if you are blasting one timer/feeds from Henrik and/or Daniel

I love lack but he reminds me of cloutier. Steal the show for 3 games crap the bed for 3 games. Miller is a little more you know what our going to get day in day out. Maybe Henning is working on a burr tanev lack to someone deal

@ElliottPap: Nux GM Jim Benning says roster makeover done for now, this group going to camp. #changeishere #canucks

http://www.vancouversun.c...uch/story.html?id=9998217

I think you might be a little over optimistic. Since 2001, Vrbata has had only ONE 30 goal season (35 in 2011). To me, that doesn't exactly strike me as any sort of game-changer (although I will concede that if he plays with the Sedins his totals should bump up accordingly)

I think he's logged a lot of miles and, unlike the Sedins, his bread and butter is speed, which is one of the first things to erode
- Zogg

To say the sky is falling cause kes is gone is nuts too because he's really only had 2 good seasons in his career. He's the center selke version of rick Nash overrated like crazy. My buddies and I just called kes vortex because if you were his wingers its like playing with a black hole. I'll have vrbata for goals on my team any day vs kes

@ElliottPap: Nux GM Jim Benning says roster makeover done for now, this group going to camp. #changeishere #canucks

http://www.vancouversun.c...uch/story.html?id=9998217
- PetrolSexual

From the bottom of the article:

Forward lines
Daniel Sedin-Henrik Sedin-Radim Vrbata
Alex Burrows-Nick Bonino-Zack Kassian*
Chris Higgins-Linden Vey*/Bo Horvat-Jannik Hansen
Shawn Matthias-Brad Richardson-Derek Dorsett

Extra: Tom Sestito, Nick Jensen.

Defensive pairings
Dan Hamhuis-Chris Tanev*
Alex Edler-Kevin Bieksa
Luca Sbisa-Yannick Weber*

Ryan Stanton-Frank Corrado

Goalies
Ryan Miller
Eddie Lack



Seems like the kids will really have to impress to crack this lineup. It's a shame since I really wanted to see Jensen get a shot from opening night on, but it's gonna be difficult for Horvat/Shinkaruk/Gaunce/Jensen/Corrado to make the opening roster by the looks of it. Gonna be really interesting to see how this plays out. At least the bottom 6 looks decent.

To say the sky is falling cause kes is gone is nuts too because he's really only had 2 good seasons in his career. He's the center selke version of rick Nash overrated like crazy. My buddies and I just called kes vortex because if you were his wingers its like playing with a black hole. I'll have vrbata for goals on my team any day vs kes
- The_Kuze

Not sure what I said has to do with Kesler, but I agree that he was a very poor distributor of the puck and using his linemates. Looking at Vrbata, his stats show that he's more of a finisher and not a play-maker (which is fine by me if he plays with the Sedins and can be that finisher/sniper we've been looking for). Just for reference, quite a few of Vrbatas seasonal stats show he is a bit of a Cy Young candidate.

No thanks to Ott.

You want to see a guy that's aging quickly? He'll make anyone on our team seem like a spring chicken.

I love lack but he reminds me of cloutier. Steal the show for 3 games crap the bed for 3 games. Miller is a little more you know what our going to get day in day out. Maybe Henning is working on a burr tanev lack to someone deal
- The_Kuze

I think Benning and Linden went to Rollie and said hey what do you think about Lack moving forward is he ready to take the reigns? If Rollie hesitated one bit on his answer or gave a clear cut no. It would have been enough for me to go after Miller. I still want to see a competitive team moving forward.

Hansen of 3 yrs ago was a 16 G 39 pt player.
- A_SteamingLombardi

From the bottom of the article:

Forward lines
Daniel Sedin-Henrik Sedin-Radim Vrbata
Alex Burrows-Nick Bonino-Zack Kassian*
Chris Higgins-Linden Vey*/Bo Horvat-Jannik Hansen
Shawn Matthias-Brad Richardson-Derek Dorsett

Extra: Tom Sestito, Nick Jensen.

Defensive pairings
Dan Hamhuis-Chris Tanev*
Alex Edler-Kevin Bieksa
Luca Sbisa-Yannick Weber*

Ryan Stanton-Frank Corrado

Goalies
Ryan Miller
Eddie Lack



Seems like the kids will really have to impress to crack this lineup. It's a shame since I really wanted to see Jensen get a shot from opening night on, but it's gonna be difficult for Horvat/Shinkaruk/Gaunce/Jensen/Corrado to make the opening roster by the looks of it. Gonna be really interesting to see how this plays out. At least the bottom 6 looks decent.
- Nucker101

I think it will kinda be like what DET did with youth this past season. There are going to be injuries. Hunter and Jensen will be called up and sent down as needed throughout the season. Bo will probably get his 9 games and be sent back to junior IMHO.

To say the sky is falling cause kes is gone is nuts too because he's really only had 2 good seasons in his career. He's the center selke version of rick Nash overrated like crazy. My buddies and I just called kes vortex because if you were his wingers its like playing with a black hole. I'll have vrbata for goals on my team any day vs kes
- The_Kuze

If only hockey was only about goals, hows that working out for Edm, Tor, Anh( last year) etc. Kesler for sure wasn't without his flaws but sometimes these boards act like the guy is a plumber. Kesler is an incredible talent that this team will struggle to replace. There are very few players in the NHL that do what he does better than him. Which is shut down opposing teams top lines while producing. He has size ( and uses it), speed and a good shot and doesn't quit on plays, games or seasons.

It was time for him to move on but I don't get this idea that we need to try and sully his name just because he changed sweaters or because Benning might not of gotten enough for him.

Honestly do you think this Kesler bashing would be happening if we ended up with the 10th, 24th and Etem ? Probably not IMO, we would all be patting ourselves on the back, drooling about the young prospects in the system and wishing Kesler success on a team that has a chance to win a cup.

Not sure what I said has to do with Kesler, but I agree that he was a very poor distributor of the puck and using his linemates. Looking at Vrbata, his stats show that he's more of a finisher and not a play-maker (which is fine by me if he plays with the Sedins and can be that finisher/sniper we've been looking for). Just for reference, quite a few of Vrbatas seasonal stats show he is a bit of a Cy Young candidate.
- Zogg

Sorry Iol I know it didn't have anything to do with kes. I guess what I was saying is we are more of a team now with kes gone and 2 mid 20 goal guys in and I think the trades and signings have been good and if the coach can get our players back on track I think were going to surprise a ton of people

From the bottom of the article:

Forward lines
Daniel Sedin-Henrik Sedin-Radim Vrbata
Nick Bonino-Linden Vey-Zack Kassian*
Chris Higgins-Bo Horvat-Nick Jensen
Shawn Matthias-Brad Richardson-Derek Dorsett

Extra: Tom Sestito.

Defensive pairings
Dan Hamhuis-Chris Tanev*
Alex Edler-Kevin Bieksa
Luca Sbisa-Yannick Weber*

Ryan Stanton-Frank Corrado

Goalies
Ryan Miller
Eddie Lack



Seems like the kids will really have to impress to crack this lineup. It's a shame since I really wanted to see Jensen get a shot from opening night on, but it's gonna be difficult for Horvat/Shinkaruk/Gaunce/Jensen/Corrado to make the opening roster by the looks of it. Gonna be really interesting to see how this plays out. At least the bottom 6 looks decent.
- Nucker101

I like my changes better

From the bottom of the article:

Forward lines
Daniel Sedin-Henrik Sedin-Radim Vrbata
Alex Burrows-Nick Bonino-Zack Kassian*
Chris Higgins-Linden Vey*/Bo Horvat-Jannik Hansen
Shawn Matthias-Brad Richardson-Derek Dorsett

Extra: Tom Sestito, Nick Jensen.

Defensive pairings
Dan Hamhuis-Chris Tanev*
Alex Edler-Kevin Bieksa
Luca Sbisa-Yannick Weber*

Ryan Stanton-Frank Corrado

Goalies
Ryan Miller
Eddie Lack


- Nucker101

Please God don't try Edler Bieksa any more

Miller seems like a mistake to me at this point, I really don't like the idea of a 6 million dollar 33 year old goalie in this league anymore. I think that he has declined over the last couple of years and might get torn apart in this division. He isn't very large and IMO is a little oversensitive, what happens SJ, LA, ANH all start crashing the net as they like to do?

One of the things I like about Lack the most ( and Schneider for what its worth) is their sense of calmness in the net, Luongo never had it and I don't think Miller does either.

That said if some more moves are made and some players up their games he could be good enough to return us to the playoffs while letting our youth develop. I have doubts about Bonino being a legit 2nd line C and think Santorelli would of been pretty good insurance at 1.5.
- belcherbd

Billy Smith the crashers...after a while they will think twice

If only hockey was only about goals, hows that working out for Edm, Tor, Anh( last year) etc. Kesler for sure wasn't without his flaws but sometimes these boards act like the guy is a plumber. Kesler is an incredible talent that this team will struggle to replace. There are very few players in the NHL that do what he does better than him. Which is shut down opposing teams top lines while producing. He has size ( and uses it), speed and a good shot and doesn't quit on plays, games or seasons.

It was time for him to move on but I don't get this idea that we need to try and sully his name just because he changed sweaters or because Benning might not of gotten enough for him.

Honestly do you think this Kesler bashing would be happening if we ended up with the 10th, 24th and Etem ? Probably not IMO, we would all be patting ourselves on the back, drooling about the young prospects in the system and wishing Kesler success on a team that has a chance to win a cup.
- belcherbd

Never liked kesler really. His monster year of course I was on the bandwagon but his attitude and the amount of credit he got while the twins take their normal shots by the media bothered me hearing how kes was our best player. He led the league in ice time and out team sucked. Coincidence or fluke I'm not sure. Also I do like the players and picks we got back for kesler I think that was one hell of a trade for us

Please God don't try Edler Bieksa any more
- belcherbd

It'll be sbisa kb3
Edler corrado

@ElliottPap: Nux GM Jim Benning says roster makeover done for now, this group going to camp. #changeishere #canucks

http://www.vancouversun.c...uch/story.html?id=9998217
- PetrolSexual

"We wanted to add an experienced goaltender, and we did that with Ryan Miller, and we wanted to add a scorer."

Gawd, when I first read the article, I thought it said expensive goalie.

Watch out Cali, our #1 line is going to crush you guys into submission.

Never liked kesler really. His monster year of course I was on the bandwagon but his attitude and the amount of credit he got while the twins take their normal shots by the media bothered me hearing how kes was our best player. He led the league in ice time and out team sucked. Coincidence or fluke I'm not sure. Also I do like the players and picks we got back for kesler I think that was one hell of a trade for us
- The_Kuze

He led the team in ice time because our team sucked, doesn't make him our best player but him playing the most minutes gave us the best chance of not getting our ass handed to us.

Also I hope you are not taking this personal, a lot of posters " never liked " Kesler either, its more of a general statement I was making. I Don't think the return for Kesler was bad either but it certainly wasn't what we were all hoping it would be. That is where the bashing starts IMO, Kesler only would waive to two teams, he is a cancer, he sleeps with wives, etc.

Please God don't try Edler Bieksa any more
- belcherbd

Agreed. Split up Tanev-Hamhuis. Spread out the different playing styles.

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev

Never liked kesler really. His monster year of course I was on the bandwagon but his attitude and the amount of credit he got while the twins take their normal shots by the media bothered me hearing how kes was our best player. He led the league in ice time and out team sucked. Coincidence or fluke I'm not sure. Also I do like the players and picks we got back for kesler I think that was one hell of a trade for us
- The_Kuze

It was the perfect time to trade him. He's lost a step and is just gonna continue to get worse. If the rumour is true that the leadership core were "ecstatic" to see him go, then he must have been a big detriment to the the room. Not to mention the team stripped him of his A. I love everybody who wanted him to have the C, yet his own team-mates deemed him unworthy of an A.

It'll be sbisa kb3
Edler corrado
- The_Kuze

I can't see our top 4 not being Hamhuis, Bieksa, Tanev, Edler. I think Stanton/Sbisa will be the competition to play with Webber and Corrado getting the call up.

Agreed. Split up Tanev-Hamhuis. Spread out the different playing styles.

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
- Nucker101

Sbisa - Corrado? or Stanton?