I think he just said "wasn't great", not "isn't very good". There is a difference.
- ruttager17

meh semantics.

and either way. that's wrong too.

it's an implication that hes average and duchene carried him.
everyone would look better with duch. but he did not carry ror. ror put up numbers without him as well. and never suffered defensively one bit.
ror got offered his first monster contract after playing at center and without duchene!

60+ points. tons of takeaways, good defensively, doesnt take penalties. big dude. decent skater.
if this isnt the stuff of a damn good player, then wtf is?

just the fact that the avs are putting up with all this bs 2 years running and are still desperately trying to keep him speaks volumes imo

This post you commented on was a response to Abware not you. So how you took what I said to him, to be about you is kinda goofy.
Yak really doesn't benefit from another year in Junior because he is sooo far ahead of his competition in that league. You don't get better playing against people that are far below your own skill set. You grow through adversity.
- ruttager17

IMO, he really needs to develop his defensive game. It's not at the NHL level what so ever. If I were him, I'd also fire Larianov, caused a lot of problems here in Edmonton , also hurt Yak's rep.

Just pitching this out there, but maybe Yak could do a season in the AHL?

People also said guys like Seguin, Stamkos, Hedman etc were rushed....
People are stupid. Just because a guy isnt instantly a superstar before they are 20 doesnt mean they were rushed...all players take time. This "rushed" thing is nonsense. If they are good enough to play in the league then fine. If not send them down.
- Iggysbff

This is true. Yak's offensive game is pretty solid, but the defensive aspect of his game is awful. I could see Yak go to the AHL if he doesn't do good in the first 15 games...

oh totally. no rush.

i was just commenting on who i thought was most likely more able to make an impact at this level.

but yeah, the wise move is to prob keep them both down.

really sucks that nurse cant play in the farm this year
- hugefemale dog77

agree!

you gotta think if Eakins gets poopcanned 20 games in, Ramsay's a pretty damn good replacement. Might be the best thing for the team if the 5on5 play is still horrendous
- TheNugeIsHuge

Also agree

7 seconds in... Daniel Bryan.
- laughs2907

LMFAO

meh semantics.

and either way. that's wrong too.

it's an implication that hes average and duchene carried him.
everyone would look better with duch. but he did not carry ror. ror put up numbers without him as well. and never suffered defensively one bit.

60+ points. tons of takeaways, good defensively, doesnt take penalties. big dude. decent skater.
if this isnt the stuff of a damn good player, then wtf is?

just the fact that the avs are putting up with all this bs 2 years running and are still desperately trying to keep him speaks volumes imo
- hugefemale dog77

Quite literally because he only took one penalty.

probably. Only 50% because I don't like Schultz
- TheNugeIsHuge

Hard to argue with this considering how poopty jultz is on defense

IMO, he really needs to develop his defensive game. It's not at the NHL level what so ever. If I were him, I'd also fire Larianov, caused a lot of problems here in Edmonton , also hurt Yak's rep.

Just pitching this out there, but maybe Yak could do a season in the AHL?
- Oilers4Life14

His agent is fine. It was just how his comments were blown out of proportion by the media and every douchfaktardcanoe with a twitter account. Back before all of this agents sometimes said bullsh!t they probably shouldn't have but with less backlash. Yak's rep was only hurt by the morons out there that read way too much into it. He is also quite often misinterpreted by egocentric d!kwads who take what he says without considering the fact that he speaks a foreign language first, and English second. Of course his defensive game sucks, he is just a kid and was drafted for his offense, not defense. That is very correct in saying his defense needs to develop, but it takes time.

Quite literally because he only took one penalty.
- Oilers4Life14

pretty crazy actually. especially for a guy that has so many takeaways (3rd in the league).
and this is where that stat becomes special imo. a gentlemanly player is one thing and not that interesting to me. but to be that strong defensively and able to take the puck without EVER getting called for hooking, slashing, incidental tripping etc. is very impressive.

IMO, he really needs to develop his defensive game. It's not at the NHL level what so ever. If I were him, I'd also fire Larianov, caused a lot of problems here in Edmonton , also hurt Yak's rep.

Just pitching this out there, but maybe Yak could do a season in the AHL?
- Oilers4Life14

He is old enough now that yes he could, but the Oil would be giving him 3.775 mil to play in the AHL so not sure they want to do that. He needs this year anyways to see if he can actually play under Eakins system....or lack there of a system

pretty crazy actually. especially for a guy that has so many takeaways.
and this is where that stat becomes special imo. a gentlemanly player is one thing and not that interesting to me. but to be that strong defensively and able to take the puck without EVER getting called for hooking, slashing, tripping etc. is impressive.
- hugefemale dog77

No idea why they haven't just given him long term @ 6 mill per yet. Just treat him and Duchene as equals. Not complicated.

pretty crazy actually. especially for a guy that has so many takeaways.
and this is where that stat becomes special imo. a gentlemanly player is one thing and not that interesting to me. but to be that strong defensively and able to take the puck without EVER getting called for hooking, slashing, tripping etc. is impressive.
- hugefemale dog77

Sooooo you are in love with the guy, and Iggysbff hates him? No wonder you two argue over him

No idea why they haven't just given him long term @ 6 mill per yet. Just treat him and Duchene as equals. Not complicated.
- mochoson

Well they lost Stastny so pretty safe to say they should be ponying up the dough for him soon.

Well they lost Stastny so pretty safe to say they should be ponying up the dough for him soon.
- ruttager17

Oh yeah, he was never going anywhere. I think the plan all along was to give ROR at least 6 mill.

Idk if Statsny was offered that. I'm going to assume he was, but didn't get the years he wanted.

pretty crazy actually. especially for a guy that has so many takeaways.
and this is where that stat becomes special imo. a gentlemanly player is one thing and not that interesting to me. but to be that strong defensively and able to take the puck without EVER getting called for hooking, slashing, tripping etc. is impressive.
- hugefemale dog77

Ebs did it two years ago as well (2011-2012) he only took four penalties

He is old enough now that yes he could, but the Oil would be giving him 3.775 mil to play in the AHL so not sure they want to do that. He needs this year anyways to see if he can actually play under Eakins system....or lack there of a system
- ruttager17

Think long term though, would you rather him struggle again this year (he may not, never know) or see him improve in ALL aspects of his game?

- laughs2907

Great band one of my favourites.

Sooooo you are in love with the guy, and Iggysbff hates him? No wonder you two argue over him
- ruttager17

but there's no reason to hate the guy. as far as on ice stuff. helluva a player. period.

him wanting cash and the media made up drama just doesnt occur to me.
if i cared what these guys were like personally, id start readin teen beat or cosmo or whatever the fuk. but i dont

this is completely and totally false.
you say I overrate players. you make sh1t up about the ones you dont like for whatever personal reason. and there's ALOT of them

now you're faulting him for playing with good players???

you didnt watch that avs series. he was great with duchene and still ran the line without him. he ended with 6 points and 9 takeaways in that series. 4 points without duchene.
his defensive game was outstanding. and he put up numbers.

and where did you get that he wasnt good at center?? thats total bs. the avs have the luxury to put him at wing on their best line. this isnt an indication that hes somehow bad at center. duchene, ror, stastny and mackinnon are all centers. clearly they didnt want him a bottom 6 role. so you make adjustments.

all his advanced stats are strong. his regular season stats are strong. his playoff stats are strong. he doesnt take penalties. he puts up points. hes good defensively. hes good at both ends of the ice.

you dont have to like the guy, but to say he isnt very good is either personal, or an indication that you havent seen nearly enough of him
- hugefemale dog77

Nothing I said was false. I dont hate ROR. And yes Duchene did carry him. He played the vast majority of his minutes with Duchene. And when moved away from him hardly produced.
You have a massive hard on for him is all.

And no his advanced stats were not strong. The whole team was pretty bad. And he and Duchene may just have chemistry but he did not perform even close to the same when away from him.

Think long term though, would you rather him struggle again this year (he may not, never know) or see him improve in ALL aspects of his game?
- Oilers4Life14

Why does him playing a year in the AHL = him improving in ALL aspects of his game?

but there's no reason to hate the guy. as far as on ice stuff. helluva a player. period.

him wanting cash and the media made up drama just doesnt occur to me.
if i cared what these guys were like personally, id start readin teen beat or cosmo or whatever the fuk. but i dont
- hugefemale dog77

As I said ROR is a great complimentary player. He is not what you and many others make him out to be.

Wander into the Avs thread and chat with them. They will see what I see not what you see.

Why does him playing a year in the AHL = him improving in ALL aspects of his game?
- ruttager17

Well, offensively he is better than the vast majority of AHLers. Also Todd Nielson is a great coach to have in the AHL... Helps improve defense in OKC.

Nothing I said was false. I dont hate ROR. And yes Duchene did carry him. He played the vast majority of his minutes with Duchene. And when moved away from him hardly produced.
You have a massive hard on for him is all.

And no his advanced stats were not strong. The whole team was pretty bad. And he and Duchene may just have chemistry but he did not perform even close to the same when away from him.
- Iggysbff

That team is nothing without ROR this year. I don't give a flying (frank) what his WOWYs or any other advanced metric says. He is an absolutely off the charts 200 foot player.

I think the craziest part about his season is the ONE PENALTY he did get was because he played with a broken stick and didn't realize it had snapped