STEAL more like it (curious as to what Vantel's reaction will be )

Carole, are people voting 2 or 3 times? Because from the various discussions on this board it would seem there are quite a number of people who aren't exactly thrilled with these signings - ok, perhaps the Vrbata one isn't terrible and I realize it's a stop-gap situation, but I think there is a vast majority that don't like the Miller signing). The money is ridiculous for an over the hill goalie who is a self-professed 'moody' type of individual (now ain't that just great - weren't we supposed to be ridding ourselves of these types of attitudes? )

But the worst thing about all of this, is that apparently there really weren't even any significant negotiations (which screams lack of due diligence). I am absolutely sure they could have got him for less money and without a no trade clause. The guy wants to play on the west coast where his #headcheerleader is. And it's not like there are any openings for goalies here - not to mention probably in the entire league (that would pay Miller that type of salary)

Anyway, I realize that there is nothing anyone can do now but hope that everything pans out - particularly in goal, and especially given that crazy contract

Edit - Bezz, classic Simpsons sketch!
- Zogg

I would have been happy going in with Lack but getting a goalie who is still a top notch goalie isn't a bad idea. I would take him over Hiller any day. The next best goalie out there was probably Dubnik I'm not taking any of the 40yr olds out there. I'm not trading a roster player for the likes of Reimer which other than him I haven't heard much reported about available goalies. Not much else was available. I like the term. I don't like the cash doled out. I don't like Millers face, greasy hair or his attitude but he is a proven good goalie. Even if they split the time he is going to get us more wins. Competition in net between a older goalie and an up and comer is good. With this team you have to take the good with the bad. He is a more serious goalie than LU, Schneids, Lack. Plays with an edge. He brings other qualities into the locker room that all 3 of them are missing. I don't like this signing but I can't say that I hate it either. As a canuck fan you have to take the good with the bad. Right now it isn't all bad in fact in has improved immensely toward the positive. From the top down things have only gotten better. I look for more improvements. We will see more of the future and changes once camp starts guaranteed. We will always be harder on our teams moves that most other fans and that is a fact. What people can't ignore is Benning for the good or the bad he has done something about it. He has put his stamp on this team within a month of being introduced. Kudos to him. Now lets see if Desjardins can make magic with what Benning has given him.

I'm still liking the idea of trading one of our goalies to the Jets for the rights to Burmistrov... Carol, please mention the idea to Linden/Benning.
- Jim_Robson

- 1970vintage

Tanves rights for Burtz rights. Straight up.

Tanves rights for Burtz rights. Straight up.
- thundachunk

STEAL more like it (curious as to what Vantel's reaction will be )

Carole, are people voting 2 or 3 times? Because from the various discussions on this board it would seem there are quite a number of people who aren't exactly thrilled with these signings - ok, perhaps the Vrbata one isn't terrible and I realize it's a stop-gap situation, but I think there is a vast majority that don't like the Miller signing). The money is ridiculous for an over the hill goalie who is a self-professed 'moody' type of individual (now ain't that just great - weren't we supposed to be ridding ourselves of these types of attitudes? )

But the worst thing about all of this, is that apparently there really weren't even any significant negotiations (which screams lack of due diligence). I am absolutely sure they could have got him for less money and without a no trade clause. The guy wants to play on the west coast where his #headcheerleader is. And it's not like there are any openings for goalies here - not to mention probably in the entire league (that would pay Miller that type of salary)

Anyway, I realize that there is nothing anyone can do now but hope that everything pans out - particularly in goal, and especially given that crazy contract. I know I''m probably going to get flamed, but after all the excitement and possible options during/after the draft, my excitement has waned (is that a @$@ word, even?) and I'm a bit disappointed with the management

Edit - Bezz, classic Simpsons sketch!
- Zogg

To be fair, the question wasn't if we were thrilled with the changes, but whether we were satisfied.

I'm not thrilled with the Miller signing, but it is better than Lack/Markstrom IMO, and Miller could bring a good return at the TDL if the season looks lost.

Vrbata is the same scenario. I've always liked him as a player, and it was necessary to get some top 6 help. Not a long term strategy.

Bonino, Sbisa, McCann is a decent return for a declining asset considering the limited options he had to deal with. Satisfied? Yes, I'm satisfied and glad the whiner is gone.

Personally I would have preferred a couple of other players rather than Virtanen (Ehlers, Nylander), but JB has a much better track record than me, and JV could be a real steal; fast, hard hitting and likes to score. Vey looks like a good pick up too.

Thrilled; no. Satisfied: sure.

Yes, and an appropriate one

"(esp. of a condition or feeling) decrease in vigor, power, or extent; become weaker: confidence in the dollar waned."
- 1970vintage

Danke you see, I accidentally swallowed a Thesaurus during my formative years

Tanves rights for Burtz rights. Straight up.
- thundachunk

Nuh-nah.

I'd send them Higgins straight up, or Lack or Hansen for rights plus a pick.

- DrChristianTroy

Well it looks like it may go to arbitration. Is it worth it considering the past history of arbitration? Is Tanev disgruntled? Signing him at 1.5 last season was tough was it not. He is obviously going big this season. He isn't worth top 4 money yet. I sure as hell don't want to give up Lack for Burts rights. Another roster player? Markstrom? Higgins?

Well it looks like it may go to arbitration. Is it worth it considering the past history of arbitration? Is Tanev disgruntled? Signing him at 1.5 last season was tough was it not. He is obviously going big this season. He isn't worth top 4 money yet. I sure as hell don't want to give up Lack for Burts rights. Another roster player? Markstrom? Higgins?
- thundachunk

Yes he is. For Willie's system, Tanev is the best dman on this team. Not saying he should be overpaid... But they should be looking at the future & willing to overpay in yr 1 to get a bargain in yrs 2,3,4+ of whatever deal they offer him.

STEAL more like it (curious as to what Vantel's reaction will be )

Carole, are people voting 2 or 3 times? Because from the various discussions on this board it would seem there are quite a number of people who aren't exactly thrilled with these signings - ok, perhaps the Vrbata one isn't terrible and I realize it's a stop-gap situation, but I think there is a vast majority that don't like the Miller signing). The money is ridiculous for an over the hill goalie who is a self-professed 'moody' type of individual (now ain't that just great - weren't we supposed to be ridding ourselves of these types of attitudes? )

But the worst thing about all of this, is that apparently there really weren't even any significant negotiations (which screams lack of due diligence). I am absolutely sure they could have got him for less money and without a no trade clause. The guy wants to play on the west coast where his #headcheerleader is. And it's not like there are any openings for goalies here - not to mention probably in the entire league (that would pay Miller that type of salary)

Anyway, I realize that there is nothing anyone can do now but hope that everything pans out - particularly in goal, and especially given that crazy contract. I know I''m probably going to get flamed, but after all the excitement and possible options during/after the draft, my excitement has waned (is that a @$@ word, even?) and I'm a bit disappointed with the management

Edit - Bezz, classic Simpsons sketch!
- Zogg

Its CAROL. You missplell her name every time zogge

Its not even a re-tool imo. They didnt outfit this team to compete in the playoffs like the Canucks three years ago. Its purely a stop gap. They dont have kids ready to fill all those spots without going into tank mode. This isnt a team thats going to do that. Ownership needs fan base, players want to win, new coach probably had expectations before signing, GM is going to balance future success against tickets and profit.....

Cant expect all the 1st rounders from this year and last year to step in. The rest are not ready or sub par for the most part. Youth cant take over this team yet.... hence the 2 and 3 year contracts for Miller and Vrbata.... which will turn into more picks in 1.5 and 2.5 years.... contributing to the youth movement that way.

I think Benning will land us picks from vets by the TDL closing anyways. Edler, Bieksa, Hammer, Higgins, Hansen.... one or 2 of them will be gone... a second 1st in this draft.... book it.
- boonerbuck

Pretty rational summary, Booner. Thanks. I'm beginning to see the short term wisdom in Benning & Linden's plans. Hoping they play hockey with heart & determination and develop the draft picks accordingly.

Its CAROL. You missplell her name every time zogge
- noisewater

Well done my apologies to Carol (no wonder she never returns my calls

Did anyone hear the Kassian interview on 1040? Much smarter than he looks. Gives a good interview
- bezz44

I tried pointing that out to the trolls last year.

Yes he is. For Willie's system, Tanev is the best dman on this team. Not saying he should be overpaid... But they should be looking at the future & willing to overpay in yr 1 to get a bargain in yrs 2,3,4+ of whatever deal they offer him.
- DrChristianTroy

He is the best at certain things not the best. He has the best potential of any player on our team as of now. They should be looking at 3 years and yearly increase. yr1 2.25 yr2 2.75 yr3 3.25 . Last year was only his first full year with the club and played 64 games which is not a full season. I wouldn't give him much more after only a season in the NHL. Those 3 years would lock him up until he is available to become a UFA. Then if he is worth it pay him. The above would be a more than fair deal and still makes him a tradable asset in the future.

He is the best at certain things not the best. He has the best potential of any player on our team as of now. They should be looking at 3 years and yearly increase. yr1 2.25 yr2 2.75 yr3 3.25 . Last year was only his first full year with the club and played 64 games which is not a full season. I wouldn't give him much more after only a season in the NHL. Those 3 years would lock him up until he is available to become a UFA. Then if he is worth it pay him. The above would be a more than fair deal and still makes him a tradable asset in the future.
- thundachunk

Bottom line is you don't trade him. Whatever they sign him for will be a bargain. Just watch. Trade Edler, Hamhuis & Bieksa before even entertaining the thought of trading Tanev.

Bottom line is you don't trade him. Whatever they sign him for will be a bargain. Just watch. Trade Edler, Hamhuis & Bieksa before even entertaining the thought of trading Tanev.
- DrChristianTroy

I really don't want to trade him 2 years from now I think he becomes our biggest asset. He is pretty close to it now. If he was part of a deal to get the #1 from Tallon then Tallon is an Retard.

To be fair, the question wasn't if we were thrilled with the changes, but whether we were satisfied.

I'm not thrilled with the Miller signing, but it is better than Lack/Markstrom IMO, and Miller could bring a good return at the TDL if the season looks lost.

Vrbata is the same scenario. I've always liked him as a player, and it was necessary to get some top 6 help. Not a long term strategy.

Bonino, Sbisa, McCann is a decent return for a declining asset considering the limited options he had to deal with. Satisfied? Yes, I'm satisfied and glad the whiner is gone.

Personally I would have preferred a couple of other players rather than Virtanen (Ehlers, Nylander), but JB has a much better track record than me, and JV could be a real steal; fast, hard hitting and likes to score. Vey looks like a good pick up too.

Thrilled; no. Satisfied: sure.
- we_are_all_canucks

Well hello

Well hello
- thundachunk

Sorry, I'm married.

I'm still liking the idea of trading one of our goalies to the Jets for the rights to Burmistrov... Carol, please mention the idea to Linden/Benning.
- Jim_Robson

what's with the love for Burmistrov? Guy couldn't cut it in the NHL and bailed! His KHL number's aren't crazy good. 37pts in 54games is pretty average.... tim stapleton had 4pts less on the same team and scored more goals.

what's with the love for Burmistrov? Guy couldn't cut it in the NHL and bailed! His KHL number's aren't crazy good. 37pts in 54games is pretty average.... tim stapleton had 4pts less on the same team and scored more goals.
- Mungo

Burmistrov was the leader & leading scorer of his KHL team at 21. Tim Stapleton is a decade older.

what's with the love for Burmistrov? Guy couldn't cut it in the NHL and bailed! His KHL number's aren't crazy good. 37pts in 54games is pretty average.... tim stapleton had 4pts less on the same team and scored more goals.
- Mungo

From what I recall, the guy had some slick moves. It was his defensive responsibilities which put him in the dog-house (seemingly permanently).

Edit: I think that he should have been brought along with more patience. He was given up on at age 20

Burmistrov was the leader & leading scorer of his KHL team at 22. Tim Stapleton is a decade older.
- DrChristianTroy

leading scorer sounds impressive.... but it's still 34pts in 54 games in a sub-nhl league. It's not that great.

From what I recall, the guy had some slick moves. It was his defensive responsibilities which put him in the dog-house (seemingly permanently).

Edit: I think that he should have been brought along with more patience. He was given up on at age 20
- Zogg

leading scorer sounds impressive.... but it's still 34pts in 54 games in a sub-nhl league. It's not that great.
- Mungo

There aren't many point-per-game players in the KHL. Less than a handful.

There aren't many point-per-game players in the KHL. Less than a handful.
- DrChristianTroy

Jan Kovar is 23 and scored 68pts in 54 games..... almost double the points of your boy Burmistrov.