pretty sure he is, bro.
- kicksave856

I had a hard time writing "legitimate religious".

I had a hard time writing "legitimate religious".
- Feeling Glucky?

understood.

understood.
- kicksave856

"We gotta follow the rules this made up entity laid out for us, but the ones that made up entity laid out are barbaric"

Dont listen to them Dopp.

rage against the dying of the light brah

Is divorce an affront against God?
Are Christians allowed to drink alcohol or eat pork?

Religions change over time. You're not the arbiter of what is and isn't a legitimate religious practice.

Also, those people aren't the ones telling the Harper government they can't ban the niqqab and hijab... It's the supreme courts. Are you OK with a government that tries to ignore the courts? To me that's a far bigger issue than a piece of cloth on the head that doesn't interfere with anything.
- Feeling Glucky?

Again it was NOT the Supreme court that ruled on the Niqab wearing at the Citizenship ceremony,l it was the Federal Court of Appeal..........once again you're wrong.

You seem to be in favour of a someone, who is NOT a Canadian, telling us how Canada and Canadians, should conduct and what to allow at OUR Citizenship ceremony............tell me what would you NOT allow? What is your line in the sand, so to speak?
I'm on side with the vast majority of Canadians including I think the vast majority of Muslim Canadians who do not believe that the public declaration of your loyalty to your fellow citizens, and to Canada, should be obscured or hidden with a mask.

Funny how, in the past, the courts have ruled that when giving testimony in a criminal case, women who are masking their faces, MUST remove their mask........but for some reason it's okay to mask your face in a citizenship ceremony.....

http://www.theglobeandmai...in-court/article11534902/

Again it was NOT the Supreme court that ruled on the Niqab wearing at the Citizenship ceremony,l it was the Federal Court of Appeal..........once again you're wrong.

You seem to be in favour of a someone, who is NOT a Canadian, telling us how Canada and Canadians, should conduct and what to allow at OUR Citizenship ceremony............tell me what would you NOT allow? What is your line in the sand, so to speak?
I'm on side with the vast majority of Canadians including I think the vast majority of Muslim Canadians who do not believe that the public declaration of your loyalty to your fellow citizens, and to Canada, should be obscured or hidden with a mask.

Funny how, in the past, the courts have ruled that when giving testimony in a criminal case, women who are masking their faces, MUST remove their mask........but for some reason it's okay to mask your face in a citizenship ceremony.....

http://www.theglobeandmai...in-court/article11534902/
- D0PPELGANGER

Seeing as we live in the 21st century, I don't draw arbitrary lines in the sand.

If it was something that genuinely had a negative affect on the proceedings, I'd be against it.


Oh, and there's this:http://www.huffingtonpost...ing-canada_n_2335841.html

please get your facts straight.


And explain to me how, outside of xenophobia, the wearing of the niqqab in any way negatively influences the ceremony.

Seeing as we live in the 21st century, I don't draw arbitrary lines in the sand.

If it was something that genuinely had a negative affect on the proceedings, I'd be against it.


Oh, and there's this:http://www.huffingtonpost...ing-canada_n_2335841.html

please get your facts straight.


And explain to me how, outside of xenophobia, the wearing of the niqqab in any way negatively influences the ceremony.
- Feeling Glucky?

i bolded the part where you made a tactical error.

i bolded the part where you made a tactical error.
- kicksave856

I think it'll be funny.

I think it'll be funny.
- Feeling Glucky?

yeah, you're probably right.

*waits*

*waits*
- Crimsoninja

...it may take a few days.

...it may take a few days.
- Feeling Glucky?

lol

And explain to me how, outside of xenophobia, the wearing of the niqqab in any way negatively influences the ceremony.
- Feeling Glucky?

So you're okay with Canadian customs, culture and traditions adapting to what non citizens want, when they want to join our "Canadian family" ......... instead of them adapting to the country and family they aspire to become part of.


here is some more insight if you wish to challenge you misogynistic view on women.

Ms Younus says the niqab is “primarily an act of worship to God.” Either she has founded a new religion, or Ms Younus considers herself more an authority on Islam than innumerable Islamic scholars who one and all have declared that face cover is not inherent to Islam, but is rather a custom in some Islamic regions and not in others. Indeed, Egypt and Syria ban face cover on university campuses.
http://news.nationalpost....he-niqab-covers-the-mouth




Muslim lobby group urges Ottawa to ban burkas, niqabs
Middle Eastern garments designed to cover a woman's face are "medieval" and "misogynist" symbols of extremism with no basis in Islam, a Canadian Muslim lobby group said Wednesday as it urged Ottawa to ban the burka and the niqab.
http://www.thestar.com/ne...to_ban_burkas_niqabs.html



It is arguable that the full body and face cover is not a religious requirement in Islam but represents a minority tradition among a small Islamist minority; that it is not a matter of free choice but a highly forced choice and a visual Islamist symbol—one that is ostentatiously anti-secularist and misogynist
http://www.meforum.org/2777/ban-the-burqa

So you're okay with Canadian customs, culture and traditions adapting to what non citizens want, when they want to join our "Canadian family" ......... instead of them adapting to the country and family they aspire to become part of.


here is some more insight if you wish to challenge you misogynistic view on women.

- D0PPELGANGER

How is this changing Canadian customs, culture and tradition?(Not rhetorical, please answer this)

Canada is founded on immigrants, and accepting people of all backgrounds, and incorporating them into our culture. Like a friendly, apologetic borg. The only threat I see to that is the xenophobic rhetoric of conservatives.

I'm not defending religion, or religious practices... it's all made up stupidity to me... but you can't pass laws that target one religion over others.

How is this changing Canadian customs, culture and tradition?(Not rhetorical, please answer this)

Canada is founded on immigrants, and accepting people of all backgrounds, and incorporating them into our culture. Like a friendly, apologetic borg. The only threat I see to that is the xenophobic rhetoric of conservatives.

I'm not defending religion, or religious practices... it's all made up stupidity to me... but you can't pass laws that target one religion over others.
- Feeling Glucky?

It's clear you've missed the point.

The wearing of face covering is NOT a religious practice. A niqab was designed to cover a woman's face and is a "medieval" and "misogynist" symbol of extremism, with no basis in Islam................did you not read any of the articles I linked above?




I'll bet you're also in favour of the leader of the the toronto 18 retaining his Canadian citizenship too.

It's clear you've missed the point.

The wearing of face covering is NOT a religious practice. A niqab was designed to cover a woman's face and is a "medieval" and "misogynist" symbol of extremism, with no basis in Islam................did you not read any of the articles I linked above?




I'll bet you're also in favour of the leader of the the toronto 18 retaining his Canadian citizenship too.
- D0PPELGANGER

You didn't answer my question. I even used bolding to make sure you wouldn't miss it. Come on.

Again, religions change. There is nothing in the bible about using condoms or abortion. If the leader of a religious sect states something, people either follow it, or go to a different sect.

And no, I'm fine with revoking dual citizenship when somebody's proven guilty of something like that.

It's clear you've missed the point.

The wearing of face covering is NOT a religious practice. A niqab was designed to cover a woman's face and is a "medieval" and "misogynist" symbol of extremism, with no basis in Islam................did you not read any of the articles I linked above?




I'll bet you're also in favour of the leader of the the toronto 18 retaining his Canadian citizenship too.
- D0PPELGANGER

She chose you wear it plain and simple

What don't you understand about choice?

I think if you simplify the debate to one or two women it obviously seems irrelevant but it does open up a much larger debate about what is expected of immigrants in Canada (and all over the western world really, this isn't isolated to Canada or North America).

Is the host country expected to accommodate the newly arrived or are the newly arrived expected to accommodate the way of life of their new home?

comes down to the Melting Pot vs. multiculturalism really. A few decades ago, immigrants would leave places that weren't going to well to come to the west and look for new opportunities and a new life for themselves. Italians, Greeks, Polish, Scandinavians, many came and decided they would identify as American or Canadian or wherever they went to. They'd keep traditions of the old country in their home but outwardly they were proud to identify as citizens of their new home and made sure their children learned the language and customs of their new country. I know this was the case for my parents. They've always thought us that we are Canadian first and foremost. I never even learned their home langauge becasue they made sure I could speak English and French before anything else.

with the way we view multiculturalism today I think we've completely eroded that. People come here now and immediately expect all the benefits of their new home immediately but still want to preserve their own way of life to a certain extent. You can't have it both ways. Again breaking down the entire thing to one or two women seems ridiculous but you can't blame people for asking themselves "what's next?"

The city I grew up in has a large muslim population and they've been asked and refused several times to reserve times at public pools and other installations for women only. SO far they've refused but what do you say? It's just one pool for one hour a day it's ridiculous to be opposed to it? There are consequences to what people are allowed to do and what they're not and I don't think it's fair to accuse people of being narrow-minded or xenophobic becasue they want to preserve their own way of life. Just the same as new immigrants want to preserve theirs, the people already here have a right to it as well.

I think if you simplify the debate to one or two women it obviously seems irrelevant but it does open up a much larger debate about what is expected of immigrants in Canada (and all over the western world really, this isn't isolated to Canada or North America).

Is the host country expected to accommodate the newly arrived or are the newly arrived expected to accommodate the way of life of their new home?

comes down to the Melting Pot vs. multiculturalism really. A few decades ago, immigrants would leave places that weren't going to well to come to the west and look for new opportunities and a new life for themselves. Italians, Greeks, Polish, Scandinavians, many came and decided they would identify as American or Canadian or wherever they went to. They'd keep traditions of the old country in their home but outwardly they were proud to identify as citizens of their new home and made sure their children learned the language and customs of their new country. I know this was the case for my parents. They've always thought us that we are Canadian first and foremost. I never even learned their home langauge becasue they made sure I could speak English and French before anything else.

with the way we view multiculturalism today I think we've completely eroded that. People come here now and immediately expect all the benefits of their new home immediately but still want to preserve their own way of life to a certain extent. You can't have it both ways. Again breaking down the entire thing to one or two women seems ridiculous but you can't blame people for asking themselves "what's next?"

The city I grew up in has a large muslim population and they've been asked and refused several times to reserve times at public pools and other installations for women only. SO far they've refused but what do you say? It's just one pool for one hour a day it's ridiculous to be opposed to it? There are consequences to what people are allowed to do and what they're not and I don't think it's fair to accuse people of being narrow-minded or xenophobic becasue they want to preserve their own way of life. Just the same as new immigrants want to preserve theirs, the people already here have a right to it as well.
- dt99999

stfu fag

dt99999

http://cnews.canoe.com/CN...ves#.VhQwhKicbWs.facebook


Hundreds of GTA Muslim men in polygamous marriages -- some with a harem of wives -- are receiving welfare and social benefits for each of their spouses, thanks to the city and province, Muslim leaders say.

Mumtaz Ali, president of the Canadian Society of Muslims, said wives in polygamous marriages are recognized as spouses under the Ontario Family Law Act, providing they were legally married under Muslim laws abroad.

"Polygamy is a regular part of life for many Muslims," Ali said yesterday. "Ontario recognizes religious marriages for Muslims and others."

He estimates "several hundred" GTA husbands in polygamous marriages are receiving benefits. Under Islamic law, a Muslim man is permitted to have up to four spouses.

However, city and provincial officials said legally a welfare applicant can claim only one spouse. Other adults living in the same household can apply for welfare independently.

The average recipient with a child can receive about $1,500 monthly, city officials said.

whats the problem?