True, but that seems like a tailor-made deal where he was going one place and one place only.
- jmatchett383

That's true, and I doubt that deal would've been available to the Flyers. So in essence he could be removed from the possibilities open to the Flyers. Good point.

Really..... You better check that because they are over by 3 mil. News coming out of Columbus was he was going to be traded or the team would use a compliance buyout. The Flyers must be under the cap before the season starts and Pronger can not go on LTIR until after the first game....
- RobFlyers#1

damm you Pronger

Really..... You better check that because they are over by 3 mil. News coming out of Columbus was he was going to be traded or the team would use a compliance buyout. The Flyers must be under the cap before the season starts and Pronger can not go on LTIR until after the first game....
- RobFlyers#1

No, I think you better check that. And there are other options open to the Flyers besides waiting until the first day of the season. And even if they do use that option, you are incorrect in stating that they have to wait until after the first game. That move can be made on the first day of the season, even if they don't play. The cap works on days of the season, not games. Trust me, the Flyers are not over the Cap.

Come on man you're better than that
- Giroux_Is_God

Sorry, I'm a little out of it today, getting over some very nasty food poisoning.

hopefully, we are all still alive in 2020
- vejim

Well, I'll be 55, but hopefully the odds are in my favor!

No, he said the Flyers are in a holding pattern for the young defenseman. That's open to interpretation. So the Flyers are going to sit back and wait until those players arrive on the roster? I wouln't.
- MJL

That's right. They won't make any deals now that might hamstring them down the road. So for this summer and next. I wouldn't expect certainly any vinny typ deals. And prob not even any streit like deals.

Maybe Columbus insisted the Flyers take Umberger? I hear the other team sometimes has a say in a trade.

Also, I don't think Washington is better. They'll regret those deals within 2 years.
- jmatchett383

Then say no....I hear teams say that as well and look for another destination. Hartnell had 52 points last year and his cap hit is less than 5 mill. I would think more teams besides Columbus would have an interest. They may regret the deals but they are a better team next season

That's right. They won't make any deals now that might hamstring them down the road. So for this summer and next. I wouldn't expect certainly any vinny typ deals. And prob not even any streit like deals.
- Just5

I'm fine with that!

Really..... You better check that because they are over by 3 mil. News coming out of Columbus was he was going to be traded or the team would use a compliance buyout. The Flyers must be under the cap before the season starts and Pronger can not go on LTIR until after the first game....
- RobFlyers#1

Time for you do some reading.

http://www.capgeek.com/fa...injured-reserve-LTIR-work

No, I think you better check that. And there are other options open to the Flyers besides waiting until the first day of the season. And even if they do use that option, you are incorrect in stating that they have to wait until after the first game. That move can be made on the first day of the season, even if they don't play. The cap works on days of the season, not games. Trust me, the Flyers are not over the Cap.
- MJL

Cap: Apply
2014-15 CAP SPACE
Team Payroll Space # Opening
1. Philadelphia » $72,061,429 -$3,061,429 22 $0
2. Chicago » $71,216,795 -$2,216,795 23 $0
3. Washington » $67,886,795 $1,113,205 22 $1,113,205
4. Tampa Bay » $67,742,427 $1,257,573 21 $628,787
5. Boston » $67,359,143 $1,640,857 18 $328,171
6. Vancouver » $66,849,444 $2,150,556 23 $0
7. Los Angeles » $66,791,894 $2,208,106 22 $2,208,106
8. New Jersey » $63,323,334 $5,676,666 20 $1,892,222
9. Carolina » $63,080,000 $5,920,000 20 $1,973,333
10. St. Louis » $62,966,667 $6,033,333 21 $3,016,667
11. Pittsburgh » $61,669,167 $7,330,833 18 $1,466,167
12. Dallas » $61,633,333 $7,366,667 19 $1,841,667
13. Detroit » $59,479,545 $9,520,455 20 $3,173,485
14. Colorado » $58,679,762 $10,320,238 22 $10,320,238
15. Edmonton » $57,142,500 $11,857,500 20 $3,952,500
16. Arizona » $56,468,611 $12,531,389 21 $6,265,694
17. Toronto » $55,752,500 $13,247,500 17 $2,207,917
18. Anaheim » $55,601,667 $13,398,333 20 $4,466,111
19. Minnesota » $55,575,256 $13,424,744 18 $2,684,949
20. Winnipeg » $55,417,024 $13,582,976 20 $4,527,659
21. San Jose » $55,280,000 $13,720,000 20 $4,573,333
22. N.Y. Rangers » $54,992,500 $14,007,500 17 $2,334,583
23. N.Y. Islanders » $54,099,476 $14,900,524 22 $14,900,524
24. Florida » $54,040,375 $14,959,625 19 $3,739,906
25. Montreal » $53,848,333 $15,151,667 21 $7,575,833
26. Columbus » $53,150,476 $15,849,524 20 $5,283,175
27. Nashville » $53,024,643 $15,975,357 19 $3,993,839
28. Ottawa » $52,658,333 $16,341,667 22 $16,341,667
29. Buffalo » $51,994,166 $17,005,834 21 $8,502,917
30. Calgary » $50,436,667 $18,563,333 19 $4,640,833

There I checked

See the - 3,061,429 that means over by that amount

Time for you do some reading.

http://www.capgeek.com/fa...injured-reserve-LTIR-work
- Feanor

Thread has been quiet for a few minutes... Methinks ppl are reading this link to better prepare for next round of cap litigation.

That's right. They won't make any deals now that might hamstring them down the road. So for this summer and next. I wouldn't expect certainly any vinny typ deals. And prob not even any streit like deals.
- Just5

I think that's assuming a lot. If the right deal comes along that the Flyers feel makes them better, and they have to give up youth or assets to do it. I think they'll do it. I don't think the plan is to sit back and wait.

For instance. Does anyone think hextall is spending a minute of his time regarding the pk subban situation? I don't. If Holmgren was here, I'm sure he'd be keeping close tabs on that situation. His primary mission was to find a replacement for Pronger on this team right now. For hextall, I doubt it's on his task list this summer.

Holding pattern.

Cap: Apply
2014-15 CAP SPACE
Team Payroll Space # Opening
1. Philadelphia » $72,061,429 -$3,061,429 22 $0
2. Chicago » $71,216,795 -$2,216,795 23 $0
3. Washington » $67,886,795 $1,113,205 22 $1,113,205
4. Tampa Bay » $67,742,427 $1,257,573 21 $628,787
5. Boston » $67,359,143 $1,640,857 18 $328,171
6. Vancouver » $66,849,444 $2,150,556 23 $0
7. Los Angeles » $66,791,894 $2,208,106 22 $2,208,106
8. New Jersey » $63,323,334 $5,676,666 20 $1,892,222
9. Carolina » $63,080,000 $5,920,000 20 $1,973,333
10. St. Louis » $62,966,667 $6,033,333 21 $3,016,667
11. Pittsburgh » $61,669,167 $7,330,833 18 $1,466,167
12. Dallas » $61,633,333 $7,366,667 19 $1,841,667
13. Detroit » $59,479,545 $9,520,455 20 $3,173,485
14. Colorado » $58,679,762 $10,320,238 22 $10,320,238
15. Edmonton » $57,142,500 $11,857,500 20 $3,952,500
16. Arizona » $56,468,611 $12,531,389 21 $6,265,694
17. Toronto » $55,752,500 $13,247,500 17 $2,207,917
18. Anaheim » $55,601,667 $13,398,333 20 $4,466,111
19. Minnesota » $55,575,256 $13,424,744 18 $2,684,949
20. Winnipeg » $55,417,024 $13,582,976 20 $4,527,659
21. San Jose » $55,280,000 $13,720,000 20 $4,573,333
22. N.Y. Rangers » $54,992,500 $14,007,500 17 $2,334,583
23. N.Y. Islanders » $54,099,476 $14,900,524 22 $14,900,524
24. Florida » $54,040,375 $14,959,625 19 $3,739,906
25. Montreal » $53,848,333 $15,151,667 21 $7,575,833
26. Columbus » $53,150,476 $15,849,524 20 $5,283,175
27. Nashville » $53,024,643 $15,975,357 19 $3,993,839
28. Ottawa » $52,658,333 $16,341,667 22 $16,341,667
29. Buffalo » $51,994,166 $17,005,834 21 $8,502,917
30. Calgary » $50,436,667 $18,563,333 19 $4,640,833

There I checked

See the - 3,061,429 that means over by that amount
- RobFlyers#1

And where did you get that inofrmation from? Capgeek?

I'm going to teach you something about Capgeek. All they do is take an educated guess on what the roster might be for the season, and come up with a number. It is not a factual list of the Cap. It is an approximation. And they do not keep the off season cap. And the Flyers list includes Chris Pronger. And you obviously aren't aware of how LTIR works, and the options open to the Flyers.

Sorry, I'm a little out of it today, getting over some very nasty food poisoning.
- BiggE

Tangentman's BBQ wasn't it?

It don't matter who is left out there in UFA's the Flyers are just spectators this year....awful just awful.
- RobFlyers#1

NHL Free Agents and the Illusion of Success:
http://thehockeywriters.c...r.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Sorry, I'm a little out of it today, getting over some very nasty food poisoning.
- BiggE

Was it raw chicken or mayo based product sitting in the sun to long? Classic 4th of July illness.

If only they had money, they could have shored up the D by signing Orpik for 5 years at $5.25M per, or shored up their bottom 6 forwards by snagging Bolland at his cheap $5M per for 5 years. If only they could have been players on July 1st...if only.
- jmatchett383

i still laugh upon seeing the terms of that deal

That's right. They won't make any deals now that might hamstring them down the road. So for this summer and next. I wouldn't expect certainly any vinny typ deals. And prob not even any streit like deals.
- Just5

The Flyers are a cap team....they will always spend to the cap # when possible to make their team better....It would have been nice to have more $ on July 1rst, but they didn't. One could say maybe that was a good thing....the last thing the Flyers need is another guy who although might help now hurts their plans a couple of years down the road.....too much doom and gloom around here....the flyers have some really good young talent on their squad and I fully anticipate some of these kids will continue to get better this year and next....I read an article on Philly.com about how the Flyers are falling behind??? I guess if Baby Schenn, Couturier, Read, Simmonds, Raffl and even Vorecek show no grow then sure they might be in trouble....I don't see that happening....I still think there are team needs, but patience needs to be the order of the day. Hextall deserves some time to mold this team and make some changes as he see's fit.
Im stoked for October....a new season of the Walking Dead and the new Flyers season.

Imagine getting knocked out cold by a guy in a pink jersey...
- jmatchett383

Morin raised that kid's breast cancer awareness.

With regard to the video, as Steve Martin would say, "Boy, those French, they have a different word for everything!"

Not exactly a complete translation, but somebody on twitter got the cliffs notes:

Tyler J. Altemose @TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) Morin wants to make the #Flyers out of camp. He's an inch taller and gained 20+ pounds of muscle mass.

Tyler J. Altemose @TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) Morin says he had a taste of it w/ the exhibition games last season and he wants more.

Tyler J. Altemose @TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) He said PHI has been impressed w/ his on- and off-ice attitude. Very physical presence.

Tyler J. Altemose
@TJamesAltemose
LRT: (Translated) But he has to work on his decision making when it comes to whom to go after (he can get himself in trouble).
- BulliesPhan87

That puts him around 6'8" and 225+ pounds? Nice.

And go after them all, Samuel...hit them all!

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Development Camp, Setoguchi, Kovalenko
- bmeltzer

I don't think Devin Setoguchi is interesting at all.

So hows this team's butt pirate doing?

He back in town and ready to get his hands gripped firmly behind the upcoming season?

[quote=GeorgeBailey]

i'll love you til the day i die


couldnt help myself. ill leave now

The Flyers are a cap team....they will always spend to the cap # when possible to make their team better....It would have been nice to have more $ on July 1rst, but they didn't. One could say maybe that was a good thing....the last thing the Flyers need is another guy who although might help now hurts their plans a couple of years down the road.....too much doom and gloom around here....the flyers have some really good young talent on their squad and I fully anticipate some of these kids will continue to get better this year and next....I read an article on Philly.com about how the Flyers are falling behind??? I guess if Baby Schenn, Couturier, Read, Simmonds, Raffl and even Vorecek show no grow then sure they might be in trouble....I don't see that happening....I still think there are team needs, but patience needs to be the order of the day. Hextall deserves some time to mold this team and make some changes as he see's fit.
Im stoked for October....a new season of the Walking Dead and the new Flyers season.
- landros 2

A post I can get behind!