He wasn't signed as a deadline player to put the team over the top. And you don't know that they could've been had for the same price on UFA day, or that they wouldn't have signed with somebody else instead.
- MJL

God bless you

I think the commentary on the pictures says otherwise. Not every stat, some are good, some are bad. Corsi improves over standard +/- as there is more of a sample size. But it has the same fatal flaw of false data. Corsi is a lot more reliable and relevant as a team stat. In which the false data issue is removed.
- MJL

But the commentary on the pictures says Amac is doing it wrong which is not what you are taking from it.

But the commentary on the pictures says Amac is doing it wrong which is not what you are taking from it.
- aflyerpower8

That's not the commentary I was referring to. You state that your eye test says the same thing as the stats say. Well I disagree with your opinion on MacDonald's positioning on those play. I think there is some confirmation bias going on there r. And I also think that there needs to be some leeway given for both going to a new team, where there is undoubtedly some differences in how they play, as well as adjusting to new teammates. Not to mention a small sample of games, when comparing him to other defenseman on the team.

okay injured was harsh. i dont actually want him to be hurt. but i really think fans that just label him as garbage should have to watch the flyers without his services for a nice stretch. it will be pretty horrific. no he isnt weber, but he is expected to do a hell of a lot for the team. he at least breaks even his fair share.

I would gladly take him on virtually any team i would hypothetically be in charge of, but given the roster makeup for the pens, he isnt so much of a fit for need that i would be willing to part with Maatta for him.

Not wanting to part part with what I consider to be a very valuable piece for something else does not necessarily dictate that the item for sale is garbage.

I would not give you a 20 dollar bill for a 10 dollar bill, but that doesnt mean the ten dollar bill suddenly becomes worthless.
- stayinthefnnet

how can you praise coburn so much and call him a 10 dollar bill? by your standards coburn is a workhorse on defense? what is matta? just some young player so to say coburn is a 10 dollar bill and matta is a 20 is wrong coburn is a 10 and matta is gold
we know the value of coburn but matta's value is to be determined gold might be cheaper in the future or it might be more expensive (relative to the dollar)

That's not the commentary I was referring to. You state that your eye test says the same thing as the stats say. Well I disagree with your opinion on MacDonald's positioning on those play. I think there is some confirmation bias going on there r. And I also think that there needs to be some leeway given for both going to a new team, where there is undoubtedly some differences in how they play, as well as adjusting to new teammates. Not to mention a small sample of games, when comparing him to other defenseman on the team.
- MJL

The stats hold on the Islanders with him too, but if he passes your eye test in games while focusing on his gap, then I don't think I can convince you of my opinion. All that said, I hope he does well.

Randy Jones
- Jsaquella

a 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks out the window to sign Streit and Macdonald to market value deals (at best).

Here's to hoping that Hexy puts an end to the trading for rights of players. Don't know if that's a tried and true formula for success, can't remember teams like the kings and hawks doing it that way

a 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks out the window to sign Streit and Macdonald to market value deals (at best).

Here's to hoping that Hexy puts an end to the trading for rights of players. Don't know if that's a tried and true formula for success, can't remember teams like the kings and hawks doing it that way
- Just5

Hear, hear!

a 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks out the window to sign Streit and Macdonald to market value deals (at best).

Here's to hoping that Hexy puts an end to the trading for rights of players. Don't know if that's a tried and true formula for success, can't remember teams like the kings and hawks doing it that way
- Just5

holmgren

I just want Leafs fans to realize they follow the World's most overrated and stupidly run team in the world.

I just want Leafs fans to realize they follow the World's most overrated and stupidly run team in the world.
- SuperSchennBros

don't worry their fans are clueless they think bozak is a legit #1 center

This may as well have been written here. http://www.csnphilly.com/...er-if-they-cant-trade-him

Unreal

This may as well have been written here. http://www.csnphilly.com/...er-if-they-cant-trade-him

Unreal


- wilsonecho91

If the Flyers intend to keep BSchenn at 2C, it might be the only real, viable scenario.

Let's be honest: The Flyers and Vinny don't have a lot of choices here.

Look at the upside: What's Vinny gonna do? Fall down more than Scott Hartnell? Taker dumber penalties?

I've defended Scott Hartnell a lot for what he's contributed, but the only thing I think Vinny isn't capable of bringing that Hartnell brings (or, used to bring) is the sandpaper factor. Whether or not Vinny commits to playing wing is another issue entirely, but I really don't think Vinny has a lot of choices at this point.

Karma

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456771

Karma

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=456771
- funmaster18

The stats hold on the Islanders with him too, but if he passes your eye test in games while focusing on his gap, then I don't think I can convince you of my opinion. All that said, I hope he does well.
- aflyerpower8

So you don't think being over extended and overplayed with the Islanders had anything to do with it? A fundamental of Corsi is that sometimes good players on bad teams have bad Corsi numbers.
When I see a picture where from the top of the circle in the opposition's end, all the way through the neutral zone, and into the Flyers defensive zone, there is not a single Flyers forward in the picture. Yea, my eye test there doesn't blame the defenseman for gap control.

If the Flyers intend to keep BSchenn at 2C, it might be the only real, viable scenario.

Let's be honest: The Flyers and Vinny don't have a lot of choices here.

Look at the upside: What's Vinny gonna do? Fall down more than Scott Hartnell? Taker dumber penalties?

I've defended Scott Hartnell a lot for what he's contributed, but the only thing I think Vinny isn't capable of bringing that Hartnell brings (or, used to bring) is the sandpaper factor. Whether or not Vinny commits to playing wing is another issue entirely, but I really don't think Vinny has a lot of choices at this point.
- johndewar

Playing Lecavalier at LW again, is not really a viable scenario. It's a mistake.

Playing Lecavalier at LW again, is not really a viable scenario. It's a mistake.
- MJL

Schenn G Simmer
Umberger VLC Voracek
Akeson Couturier Read
Bella Laughton Raffle

Git er done

So you don't think being over extended and overplayed with the Islanders had anything to do with it? A fundamental of Corsi is that sometimes good players on bad teams have bad Corsi numbers.
When I see a picture where from the top of the circle in the opposition's end, all the way through the neutral zone, and into the Flyers defensive zone, there is not a single Flyers forward in the picture. Yea, my eye test there doesn't blame the defenseman for gap control.
- MJL

So, because no forward is in the picture, Amac does not have to maintain a proper gap. And advanced stats are useless for determining anything on an individual basis. Got it!

This may as well have been written here. http://www.csnphilly.com/...er-if-they-cant-trade-him

Unreal


- wilsonecho91

If he can't be traded and they have no choice to but keep him, playing RW with Giroux may well end up being the best possible spot. However, we've seen him struggle badly at LW.

So, because no forward is in the picture, Amac does not have to maintain a proper gap. And advanced stats are useless for determining anything on an individual basis. Got it!
- aflyerpower8

Yep, the eye test rules, especially when you are seeing less than 1/3rd of the ice surface.

You might as well try to turn goat piss into gasoline rather than argue with that guy. His opinions are facts to him.

- Tomahawk

I forgot, Andrew MacDoanld was the only decent defenseman on the UFA market.

Silly me.

So, because no forward is in the picture, Amac does not have to maintain a proper gap. And advanced stats are useless for determining anything on an individual basis. Got it!
- aflyerpower8

It's impossible to maintain a proper gap, with no forwards in the picture from the offensive zone top of the circle, all the way through the neutral zone, and into the defensive zone without back pressure from the forwards. The defense has no choice but to back up in that situation. This is what I'm talking about. It's fundamentals of Hockey. And any eyetest given has to take those fundamentals into consideration. As Bill Clement said, gap control is everybody's responsibility.

And as far as advnaced stats are concerned. That's not what I said. I said Corsi is unreliable for rating players on an individual situation. And we can discuss that further if you like.

Yep, the eye test rules, especially when you are seeing less than 1/3rd of the ice surface.

You might as well try to turn goat piss into gasoline rather than argue with that guy. His opinions are facts to him.
- Jsaquella

There were 3 pictures. One in the offensive zone, one in the neutral zone, and one at the blueline. There wasn't a forward in any of the pictures in support of the defenseman. So stating that the pictures only showed 1/3rd of the ice surface, is flat out wrong.