The Poile thing to do will be to sign Derek Roy for one year and limp to the end of another other long season.

Their Center depth, even with a healthy Fisher is a joke. Why Poile hoards D men while his forward core remains the worst in the league is something I will never understand.
- hereticpride

I get that. But they need some size in the middle. Also teams like Nashville need money from the gate so I think Vinny would help a little in that. He is at least a name.

How is Stolarz projecting these days? Sounded like maybe his last year in junior wasn't so hot… but then again, he's a goalie and all that.
- eayost

He had a good season. It just ended on a sour note in the playoffs with the suspension and then the entire Knights team (after a layoff of about 45 days or some such) was awful at the Memorial Cup.

Stolarz still needs more time to develop. I do not expect him to be on the NHL radar until the final season of his entry-level contract and, even then, may not be ready to push for the starter's job. Expect a pretty long haul in his development curve, which is hardly unusual for a goalie (as you noted).

He had a good season. It just ended on a sour note in the playoffs with the suspension and then the entire Knights team (after a layoff of about 45 days or some such) was awful at the Memorial Cup.

Stolarz still needs more time to develop. I do not expect him to be on the NHL radar until the final season of his entry-level contract and, even then, may not be ready to push for the starter's job. Expect a pretty long haul in his development curve, which is hardly unusual for a goalie (as you noted).
- bmeltzer

I guess I remembered the not so good Memorial Cup. Good to hear the rest of the season was alright. Since they have Mason playing well at this point, they certainly don't need Stolarz to show up and do much for the big club for years. Will he be in the AHL this year or another year of junior?

The Poile thing to do will be to sign Derek Roy for one year and limp to the end of another other long season.

Their Center depth, even with a healthy Fisher is a joke. Why Poile hoards D men while his forward core remains the worst in the league is something I will never understand.
- hereticpride

Awesome observation. He is an AWFUL GM.

I am sure the Flyers know he would be ok with going to Nashville. It doesn't seem to make sense to have all these talks with Nashville if they haven't already known where Vinny would be ok going. I think the whole thing was a stare down to see who would blink first. Now with Fisher going down I think Nashville might lesson on the mon a little. To compete in the west you need centers and at this time theym are not going to compete with teams like Dallas or the teams from CA. Just my opinion.
- J35Bacher

Personally, if I'm Poile, and I didn't like the contract because there is 4 years left on it, and I want the Flyers to eat a large portion of it. The Fisher injury wouldn't change that. He can still go out and get a one year stop gap, rather then commit to 4 years to a player, for a one year injury.

I get that. But they need some size in the middle. Also teams like Nashville need money from the gate so I think Vinny would help a little in that. He is at least a name.
- J35Bacher

They could just be positioning themselves for " McDavid", as their forwards are the worst in the league as it stands now.
I don't mind giving VL another shot, but If they get more for him than what was originally reported than I could also live with that.

I read in the leafs blog they are running their camp with fewer invitees also. Looks like we're on the right path!
- Just5

Well if the Leafs are doing it, it must be the right thing to do.

The Poile thing to do will be to sign Derek Roy for one year and limp to the end of another other long season.

Their Center depth, even with a healthy Fisher is a joke. Why Poile hoards D men while his forward core remains the worst in the league is something I will never understand.
- hereticpride

I think David Poile is a GM who really wants to do right by his fanbase and team, but I have long felt that his time in the NHL is over.

I don't mind him matching for Weber; he is their franchise player and more important to them in terms of relevance than just his on-ice production.

But what you said is true. Instead of trading Dan Hamhuis, he lets him go to free agency. No assets in return. Instead of trading Ryan Suter, he lets him go to free agency. No,assets in return.

This, when your offense has always been able to be defended because of the lack of game-breakers in their prime. David Legwand isn't a bad player. But that's the best you could do for 14 years?

There is a time for patience and there is a time for action. Poile, to me, doesn't seem to be able to adjust his thinking to the degree required to make a skillful move, a la Jack Johnson for Jeff Carter.

You can't be so in love with your draft picks that you can never trade any. At some point, you need to cash in a strength to address a weakness.

Personally, if I'm Poile, and I didn't like the contract because there is 4 years left on it, and I want the Flyers to eat a large portion of it. The Fisher injury wouldn't change that. He can still go out and get a one year stop gap, rather then commit to 4 years to a player, for a one year injury.
- MJL

He very well may do that. But a team like Nashville can't just be awful and have no one come. The NHL relies on the gate money so teams need that. Remeber the whole Weber things was the bonus paid out was what Nashville makes in the gate for a season. There isn't much left inregards to centers on the FA market that really get you excited. He could go one year but the fact they are talking with Philly leads me to believe they want to be competitive.

This is a bit leight, but I noticed someone had listed the top 10 70s TV shows last night. So, without any futher ado, here are my top 10:

1. MASH
Brilliant writing and acting made this show a treasure. Although set during the Korean War, it was really a commentary on Vietnam and the futility of war in general.

2. All in the Family
Took American comedy into a fresh, new direction. O'Connor's portrayal of Archie Bunker was simply brilliant.

3. Barney Miller
One of the funniest shows ever made. Wish I could find it in reruns!

4. Baretta
My favorite cop drama of the era. Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. Classic!

5. Maude
A precursor to All in the Family. Broke ground by being the first show to openly discuss topics like women's liberation and homosexuality.

6. The 6 Million Dollar Man
We can rebuild him, we have the technology. This campy sci-fi/adventure show was just fun. Plus who didn't love seeing Andre the Giant as Bigfoot?

7. Charlies Angels
Farrah Fawcett, the 70s, yum! Hot detectives plus fun, campy stories equals a winner!

8. The Jeffersons
Sherman Helmsley made this show a classic. His portrayal of George Jefferson was awesome, and the show broke new ground by being the first to feature a married interracial couple.

9. Fantasy Island
Utterly silly, but fun. Who can forget the little guy shouting "the plane, the plane!" at the top of his lungs each episode.

10. Kolchak, the Night Stalker
Odd little show, that had a strong cult following. Didn't last long, but I loved it. It was kind of a 70s version of the Twilight Zone with a recurring character and themes.

Lecavalier may or may not be a 4.5 million dollar player....but if teams want the Flyers to eat half then Im not sure why they would trade him? I think Vinny needs to be better....But I don't think it makes any sense not to keep him if the "net" salary is only 2.5 mil or so a year....Even as a struggling winger the guy still scores 25....if healthy.....I think its time to pull him off the market and look elsewhere for cap relief if that's what Hextall thinks he needs.

They could just be positioning themselves for " McDavid", as their forwards are the worst in the league as it stands now.
I don't mind giving VL another shot, but If they get more for him than what was originally reported than I could also live with that.
- 3flyerkids

If they can move him for at least a 4th, without having to take back more than 30% of the contract, I'd be happy.

BiggE, I agree: Barney Miller is one of the funniest shows, ever, and is criminally underrated.

He had a good season. It just ended on a sour note in the playoffs with the suspension and then the entire Knights team (after a layoff of about 45 days or some such) was awful at the Memorial Cup.
- bmeltzer

Don't forget the awful leg injury.

If he needs three years in the AHL before even being a realistic option to play in the NHL I'm OK with that. Rushing goalies is always a bad idea. A guy like Corey Crawford didn't become an NHL starter till he was 25.

Lecavalier may or may not be a 4.5 million dollar player....but if teams want the Flyers to eat half then Im not sure why they would trade him? I think Vinny needs to be better....But I don't think it makes any sense not to keep him if the "net" salary is only 2.5 mil or so a year....Even as a struggling winger the guy still scores 25....if healthy.....I think its time to pull him off the market and look elsewhere for cap relief if that's what Hextall thinks he needs.
- landros 2

I'd be ok with that if one of the d prospects really impresses and maybe a defensman is moved. I just don't think Vinny fits Berubes system. I would really lke berube to get his system going and get this team moving forward. Also i worry that if he doesn't produce and gets injured again he becomes even tougher to move next compared to this year. At least now you can sell 20 goals and the chance for bounce back to another team

Don't forget the awful leg injury.

If he needs three years in the AHL before even being a realistic option to play in the NHL I'm OK with that. Rushing goalies is always a bad idea. A guy like Corey Crawford didn't become an NHL starter till he was 25.
- Feanor

X2

I'd be ok with that if one of the d prospects really impresses and maybe a defensman is moved. I just don't think Vinny fits Berubes system. I would really lke berube to get his system going and get this team moving forward. Also i worry that if he doesn't produce and gets injured again he becomes even tougher to move next compared to this year. At least now you can sell 20 goals and the chance for bounce back to another team
- J35Bacher

Think about all those shiny draft picks at the trade deadline if he does have a good start to the season...

I do wish the invites were at camp. With what looks like a lack of forward prospects, it seems kind of narrow to not invite at least a couple of forwards.
and if you have interest in undated player X, why would you let him go to some other developmental camp and not your's?
- nails

The flip side of this is that the Flyers are concentrating their coaching and instructional resources on the players they have actually already invested in. It's a far more efficient use of resources.

Think about all those shiny draft picks at the trade deadline if he does have a good start to the season...
- FlyersGrace

I guess I just like to bank on what I do know and not leave it to chance. I know he scored 20 goals with limited top line minutes, had and injury, is presumed healthy now.

He could bounce back and make a nice TDL aquisition for a team but he also could struggle again in Berubes system, play bad and not reach 20 goals, get hurt again not being able to be moved at the deadline and thus making it even harder to move in the summer.

The flip side of this is that the Flyers are concentrating their coaching and instructional resources on the players they have actually already invested in. It's a far more efficient use of resources.
- johndewar

Plus even tho they say contracts aren't won there you have guys trying to make impressions and as Bill noted guys get hurt because someone is trying to make a name. I don't want any of our guys hurt because some kid wanted a contract.

This is a bit leight, but I noticed someone had listed the top 10 70s TV shows last night. So, without any futher ado, here are my top 10:

1. MASH
Brilliant writing and acting made this show a treasure. Although set during the Korean War, it was really a commentary on Vietnam and the futility of war in general.

2. All in the Family
Took American comedy into a fresh, new direction. O'Connor's portrayal of Archie Bunker was simply brilliant.

3. Barney Miller
One of the funniest shows ever made. Wish I could find it in reruns!

4. Baretta
My favorite cop drama of the era. Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. Classic!

5. Maude
A precursor to All in the Family. Broke ground by being the first show to openly discuss topics like women's liberation and homosexuality.

6. The 6 Million Dollar Man
We can rebuild him, we have the technology. This campy sci-fi/adventure show was just fun. Plus who didn't love seeing Andre the Giant as Bigfoot?

7. Charlies Angels
Farrah Fawcett, the 70s, yum! Hot detectives plus fun, campy stories equals a winner!

8. The Jeffersons
Sherman Helmsley made this show a classic. His portrayal of George Jefferson was awesome, and the show broke new ground by being the first to feature a married interracial couple.

9. Fantasy Island
Utterly silly, but fun. Who can forget the little guy shouting "the plane, the plane!" at the top of his lungs each episode.

10. Kolchak, the Night Stalker
Odd little show, that had a strong cult following. Didn't last long, but I loved it. It was kind of a 70s version of the Twilight Zone with a recurring character and themes.
- BiggE

Agreed, although All in the Family should be number 1. Carol O'Connor was not only was brilliant in his portrayal of Archie, he was GOD.

This is a bit leight, but I noticed someone had listed the top 10 70s TV shows last night. So, without any futher ado, here are my top 10:

1. MASH
Brilliant writing and acting made this show a treasure. Although set during the Korean War, it was really a commentary on Vietnam and the futility of war in general.

2. All in the Family
Took American comedy into a fresh, new direction. O'Connor's portrayal of Archie Bunker was simply brilliant.

3. Barney Miller
One of the funniest shows ever made. Wish I could find it in reruns!

4. Baretta
My favorite cop drama of the era. Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. Classic!

5. Maude
A precursor to All in the Family. Broke ground by being the first show to openly discuss topics like women's liberation and homosexuality.

6. The 6 Million Dollar Man
We can rebuild him, we have the technology. This campy sci-fi/adventure show was just fun. Plus who didn't love seeing Andre the Giant as Bigfoot?

7. Charlies Angels
Farrah Fawcett, the 70s, yum! Hot detectives plus fun, campy stories equals a winner!

8. The Jeffersons
Sherman Helmsley made this show a classic. His portrayal of George Jefferson was awesome, and the show broke new ground by being the first to feature a married interracial couple.

9. Fantasy Island
Utterly silly, but fun. Who can forget the little guy shouting "the plane, the plane!" at the top of his lungs each episode.

10. Kolchak, the Night Stalker
Odd little show, that had a strong cult following. Didn't last long, but I loved it. It was kind of a 70s version of the Twilight Zone with a recurring character and themes.
- BiggE

The best thing about Baretta was the theme song.

Rockford files >>> Baretta

And I loved MASH growing up (watched it first run towards the end and in endless syndication) and they REALLY ran out of writing steam towards the end.

Trapper John was far cooler than BJ Honeycutt.

Plus even tho they say contracts aren't won there you have guys trying to make impressions and as Bill noted guys get hurt because someone is trying to make a name. I don't want any of our guys hurt because some kid wanted a contract.
- J35Bacher

Exactly.

And I'm fine with the Flyers turning over every stone to find prospects.....I just don't think they need to use this camp to do it.

The flip side of this is that the Flyers are concentrating their coaching and instructional resources on the players they have actually already invested in. It's a far more efficient use of resources.
- johndewar

This is the Bruins, but a really good look at what a development camp looks like behind the scenes (starts at 26:30):

Agreed, although All in the Family should be number 1. Carol O'Connor was not only was brilliant in his portrayal of Archie, he was GOD.
- Fast_Eddie_1

Agreed, the whole cast was excellent ! I watch what I can find on line and still die laughing