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-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Jul 8 @ 10:45 AM ET
thanks for that. I just added alfred hitchcock presents to my dvr schedule.
- aightwebang17





i'm setting the dvr for barney miller and all in the family for sure

i'm so stoked
now if they could just add me.tv to my cable provider i'd be set
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 8 @ 10:45 AM ET
You must not be all that familiar with their fan base.
- jmatchett383


http://www.hockeydb.com/n...ce/att_graph.php?tmi=7024
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 10:45 AM ET
They will want a ton for him. I don't think they move him unless it's an overpayment.
- PhillySportsGuy


They can't move him both for financial and PR reasons, not to mention that he should have won the Norris last year.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 10:46 AM ET
http://www.hockeydb.com/n...ce/att_graph.php?tmi=7024
- Tomahawk


Okay...?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 8 @ 10:46 AM ET
Hang on this is not just a good draft because of McDavid. There are kids outside the top 10 rankings this coming year who might have been in the running for #1 this year based on their skill set. The draft may go 60 players deep with superior talent, players projected to probably play in the NHL.

This is the year to fail and acquire picks and prospects.

- spatso



Yes there may be talent in the draft but the two franchise players are McDavid and Eichel. And if I am selling my horse for picks I want one of those franchise guys to change the franchise around. I don't want a team to tell me we traded our Norris caliber dmen for prospects in the draft that we aren't sure will work

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 8 @ 10:46 AM ET
Okay...?
- jmatchett383



Backing up your point...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 10:48 AM ET
Backing up your point...
- Tomahawk


Oh, thank God, thought you were going the other way. That city loves that hockey team (or the Detroit/Chicago transplants love to hate them) much more than most people think. They just go, "It's Nashville, it's the South, no one there likes hockey," without looking at attendance numbers or actually going there. I was pleasantly surprised to see how much they support them.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 10:49 AM ET
Yes there may be talent in the draft but the two franchise players are McDavid and Eichel. And if I am selling my horse for picks I want one of those franchise guys to change the franchise around. I don't want a team to tell me we traded our Norris caliber dmen for prospects in the draft that we aren't sure will work
- J35Bacher


Alexander Daigle is a can't-miss surefire superstar.

Eric Lindros is worth Forsberg +
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 8 @ 10:52 AM ET
Reilly Smith is a nice player, but he's not likely ever going to be as good as Seguin. What assets will they get back for Ericksson?
People are questioning the deal because the Bruins gave up a star player because they lost patience with his immaturity. Now they got in deep having to overpay Iginla with bonuses that resulted in a huge overage, and are searching for a winger to play with Krecji. It's not looking like a good trade for the Bruins

- MJL


So because Peter Chiarelli mismanaged his cap, the trade was bad? Was Seguin a star player after scoring 32 points in 48 games and one goal in 22 playoff games, which was when they traded him?

Maybe they pulled the trigger early, but again, where were the "Bruins looking bad in Seguin deal" when they were 54-19-3 this season?

Or when they were third in the NHL in goals scored and second in goals allowed?

It's not Smith or Eriksson's fault that Boston is looking for a winger. It's revisionist history to look at what the B's accomplished without Seguin and say, "oh, my gosh, they sure missed him!"

They didn't. At all.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 8 @ 10:55 AM ET
Alexander Daigle is a can't-miss surefire superstar.

Eric Lindros is worth Forsberg +

- jmatchett383



I know what your saying. I guess what I am saying is that I don't trade my number one dman for the unknown. I just think Weber is the one guy you build around. Not use to build your prospect pool. He is the guy you can't replace in my opinion. Once he is gone then your back looking for him again. That's my opinion. I would rather have Weber and use other players to try and get picks with other players.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 8 @ 10:57 AM ET
Oh, thank God, thought you were going the other way. That city loves that hockey team (or the Detroit/Chicago transplants love to hate them) much more than most people think. They just go, "It's Nashville, it's the South, no one there likes hockey," without looking at attendance numbers or actually going there. I was pleasantly surprised to see how much they support them.
- jmatchett383


Keep The Red Out was/is hilarious.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 10:57 AM ET
I know what your saying. I guess what I am saying is that I don't trade my number one dman for the unknown. I just think Weber is the one guy you build around. Not use to build your prospect pool. He is the guy you can't replace in my opinion. Once he is gone then your back looking for him again. That's my opinion. I would rather have Weber and use other players to try and get picks with other players.
- J35Bacher


That's exactly what I'm saying. You've got a known good who's been a top defenseman for years (and doesn't look to be slowing down any time soon). So why would you give him up for guys who are unknowns at this level?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 11:00 AM ET
Keep The Red Out was/is hilarious.
- Tomahawk


It worked/is working.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 8 @ 11:02 AM ET
That's exactly what I'm saying. You've got a known good who's been a top defenseman for years (and doesn't look to be slowing down any time soon). So why would you give him up for guys who are unknowns at this level?
- jmatchett383



Yeah. I don't want to move him. Also how many of these deals actually work out. How many get the prospects they want and they turn out.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 11:04 AM ET
Yeah. I don't want to move him. Also how many of these deals actually work out. How many get the prospects they want and they turn out.
- J35Bacher


Just remember that defenseman-heavy draft is 2008. Thank God we got Luke Schenn from Toronto and Winnipeg got Bogosian. Those guys are legit cornerstone players.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 8 @ 11:08 AM ET
Yeah. I don't want to move him. Also how many of these deals actually work out. How many get the prospects they want and they turn out.
- J35Bacher


It's rare to see both teams walk away happy in those kinds of deals when all is said and done... historically, the results seem to heavily skew in one direction or another.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jul 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
I know what your saying. I guess what I am saying is that I don't trade my number one dman for the unknown. I just think Weber is the one guy you build around. Not use to build your prospect pool. He is the guy you can't replace in my opinion. Once he is gone then your back looking for him again. That's my opinion. I would rather have Weber and use other players to try and get picks with other players.
- J35Bacher


I would not hesitate to trade Weber to San Jose for Couture, Hertl and a first.

I would trade him to Colorado for ROR, a first, and 2 prospects.

I would trade him to Boston for Seguin, Hamilton and a 2nd. Oops somebody already did that.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 8 @ 11:09 AM ET
Just remember that defenseman-heavy draft is 2008. Thank God we got Luke Schenn from Toronto and Winnipeg got Bogosian. Those guys are legit cornerstone players.
- jmatchett383



I think Schenn kind of got put in a tough spot. He was billed as the next Adam Foote and played at 18 and was expected to shoulder a lot. I think he needs to be more consistant but i have seen flashs of a guy who can be a top 4 dman. Bogosian is kind of in the same spot and it is not like Atlanta/Winnipeg have done him any favors.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jul 8 @ 11:11 AM ET
So because Peter Chiarelli mismanaged his cap, the trade was bad? Was Seguin a star player after scoring 32 points in 48 games and one goal in 22 playoff games, which was when they traded him?

Maybe they pulled the trigger early, but again, where were the "Bruins looking bad in Seguin deal" when they were 54-19-3 this season?

Or when they were third in the NHL in goals scored and second in goals allowed?

It's not Smith or Eriksson's fault that Boston is looking for a winger. It's revisionist history to look at what the B's accomplished without Seguin and say, "oh, my gosh, they sure missed him!"

They didn't. At all.

- AllInForFlyers


I agree. Boston did fine without him. They looked like the favorite from the east to make the stanely cup finals I would say.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 8 @ 11:11 AM ET
I think Schenn kind of got put in a tough spot. He was billed as the next Adam Foote and played at 18 and was expected to shoulder a lot. I think he needs to be more consistant but i have seen flashs of a guy who can be a top 4 dman. Bogosian is kind of in the same spot and it is not like Atlanta/Winnipeg have done him any favors.
- J35Bacher


Luke Schenn might still be the next Adam Foote... it's just too bad Adam Foote wouldn't be a top-4 defenseman in the post-2008 NHL.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 11:11 AM ET
I would not hesitate to trade Weber to San Jose for Couture, Hertl and a first.

I would trade him to Colorado for ROR, a first, and 2 prospects.

I would trade him to Boston for Seguin, Hamilton and a 2nd. Oops somebody already did that.

- spatso


The GMs for San Jose and Colorado would drive those players to Nashville personally.

And that Colorado deal is funny with the 2 unnamed prospects (7th rounders count as prospects), but I guess a prospect is a prospect is a prospect, no matter whether it's Merrick Madsen or Anthony Stolarz or Shayne Gostisbehere.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 8 @ 11:12 AM ET
Luke Schenn might still be the next Adam Foote... it's just too bad Adam Foote wouldn't be a top-4 defenseman in the post-2008 NHL.
- Tomahawk


The next Derian Hatcher, but with knees?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 8 @ 11:17 AM ET
So because Peter Chiarelli mismanaged his cap, the trade was bad? Was Seguin a star player after scoring 32 points in 48 games and one goal in 22 playoff games, which was when they traded him?

Maybe they pulled the trigger early, but again, where were the "Bruins looking bad in Seguin deal" when they were 54-19-3 this season?

Or when they were third in the NHL in goals scored and second in goals allowed?

It's not Smith or Eriksson's fault that Boston is looking for a winger. It's revisionist history to look at what the B's accomplished without Seguin and say, "oh, my gosh, they sure missed him!"

They didn't. At all.

- AllInForFlyers

They will now. They'll miss both Iginla and Seguin now.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 8 @ 11:21 AM ET
They will now. They'll miss both Iginla and Seguin now.
- SuperSchennBros


Wouldn't be surprised to see Soderberg score 30-goals and they don't miss a beat, and one of Spooner/Khokhlachev become the next Krejci. Their depth has always been their strength, not their top-end star power.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jul 8 @ 11:22 AM ET
They will now. They'll miss both Iginla and Seguin now.
- SuperSchennBros


It's odd how it's assumed that Tyler Seguin is going to keep playing well and not be an issue off the ice, which was what got him dealt in the first place, but Eriksson or Smith won't get even better, or Fraser will develop.

Character is a funny thing. Some guys grow up, fly straight. Some guys fake it for a season to prove a team wrong...and can't sustain it.

We'll see what Tyler Seguin's true character is, going forward. We'll see what the B's do, going forward.

But personally? They're gonna find a winger. And they're gonna be just fine until Chara's play slips, not because Tyler Seguin's gone.
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