Are we all relieved Ott signed elsewhere? Probably leight but the Flyers reportedly offered 2yrs/2mil at the start of free agency and never budged from there.

I think Couturier is ready to take a little bit of that on himself. I love it when he gets an attitude. He is big and getting stronger. He also seems to be one of those who gets in Malkins face.

But it is fun to watch when Couturier plays with an edge, add that do his stellar defensive game and he can have the ability to really piss off opposing players.





- MBFlyerfan

This never stops being funny.

With Pronger, this team is probably a legit Cup contender over the last few years.
- PhillySportsGuy

If Mason still would've ended up here, I could see that.

Are we all relieved Ott signed elsewhere? Probably leight but the Flyers reportedly offered 2yrs/2mil at the start of free agency and never budged from there.
- JAKEw1234

Yes and no.

During this offseason we've lost a lot of physicality and we're now left with Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, Luke Schenn, Nicolas Grossmann, Brayden Coburn, Zac Rinaldo and Jay Rosehill as our more physical players. Oh yeah and Ray Emery.

I wanted Steve Ott but I didn't see the point after trading for RJ Umburger.

Yes and no.

During this offseason we've lost a lot of physicality and we're now left with Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, Luke Schenn, Nicolas Grossmann, Brayden Coburn, Zac Rinaldo and Jay Rosehill as our more physical players. Oh yeah and Ray Emery.

I wanted Steve Ott but I didn't see the point after trading for RJ Umburger.
- SuperSchennBros

We're still a lot more physical than most teams. Umberger brings some toughness, plus when Hartnell was on an oh-so-often cold streak, he wasn't much help physically.

Are we all relieved Ott signed elsewhere? Probably leight but the Flyers reportedly offered 2yrs/2mil at the start of free agency and never budged from there.
- JAKEw1234

Good. That would have been a fair deal

I find it interesting that a conversation broke out about whether Homer was a good or bad GM from one of my posts. I never said that he was a bad GM. I thought he was good overall, I'd grade him in the B or B+ range. He took the season we never talk about into a legitimate team in one season. I love the Richards and Carter trades. It took a big set to pull them off and I thought the return was excellent. Obviously in retrospect, some defense coming back would have been great, but no one could have expected Pronger going down like that. For years I thought drafting and developing was the only long term solution in a cap setting and that was my biggest complaint about Homer... he traded too many picks to negotiate against himself for FAs he wanted. That doesn't damn him, but IMO it was his biggest fault.
- mmcclatchy

I think this is a well thought out and objective summary of Holmgren as a GM. I think drafting is definitely a key to long term success. And Holmgren did that for the most part. Just didn't draft well with defenseman. I personally don't have a problem with some of the moves that he made to trade for UFA rights. For example with MacDonald. Based on the success rate of 2nd and 3rd round picks, if a team identifies a player that is a future free agent, and it will make the team better, I think that's a good move. And I really think the NHL salary market is misunderstood by many. I think the MacDonald deal is market value for a UFA. And it's quite possible it could've cost more if other teams were involved in a bidding war for a player.

And flyers time
- Just5

I miss flyers time

Are we all relieved Ott signed elsewhere? Probably leight but the Flyers reportedly offered 2yrs/2mil at the start of free agency and never budged from there.
- JAKEw1234

Nice to have GM that knows what the price is and at least so far won't over pay.

Nice to have GM that knows what the price is and at least so far won't over pay.
- jstross

Well he didn't really know what the price was, as the offer wasn't good enough. And the offer was likely driven by the amount of money they had to spend. And that's if it's actually true that they made the offer.

Well he didn't really know what the price was, as the offer wasn't good enough. And the offer was likely driven by the amount of money they had to spend. And that's if it's actually true that they made the offer.
- MJL

You missed the point

You missed the point
- Giroux_Is_God

No I didn't. I understand completely what he is saying.

If you owned the Flyers, how much say would you want to have in certain areas such as coaching hiring/firing, drafting, free agency, lineups, call ups and anything else you can think of

Also, what would be the first move you'd make as the new owner of the Flyers?

If you owned the Flyers, how much say would you want to have in certain areas such as coaching hiring/firing, drafting, free agency, lineups, call ups and anything else you can think of

Also, what would be the first move you'd make as the new owner of the Flyers?
- PhillySportsGuy

First move retire Lindros jersey, since he basically built the Coor States, FU, Wachovia, or whatever it is called now stadium.

If you owned the Flyers, how much say would you want to have in certain areas such as coaching hiring/firing, drafting, free agency, lineups, call ups and anything else you can think of

Also, what would be the first move you'd make as the new owner of the Flyers?
- PhillySportsGuy

Wow, good question. I think that's a fine line. As an Owner you want to keep some checks and balances in place, and certainly would want to have final say in financial decisions. But to be a good owner, you have to let the people you hire to make the player decisions, do their job. I don't think you can undermine the GM, and certainly not the Coach. I don't see doing that as a winning formula.

As far as the last question, really have to think about that one. But a good conversation starter.

Wow, good question. I think that's a fine line. As an Owner you want to keep some checks and balances in place, and certainly would want to have final say in financial decisions. But to be a good owner, you have to let the people you hire to make the player decisions, do their job. I don't think you can undermine the GM, and certainly not the Coach. I don't see doing that as a winning formula.

As far as the last question, really have to think about that one. But a good conversation starter.
- MJL

I would let my GM do whatever he wanted, but would ask him to run major moves by me (Like if he wanted to move Giroux). I don't feel you can evaluate anyone without giving them the opportunity to make the moves. I would just make sure the GM holds the same organizational philosophy as I do.

Well he didn't really know what the price was, as the offer wasn't good enough. And the offer was likely driven by the amount of money they had to spend. And that's if it's actually true that they made the offer.
- MJL

Hextall's price was $2 million and he held firm on HIS price. You can assign to it any reason you want as to why he held firm. We will probably never know.

First move retire Lindros jersey, since he basically built the Coor States, FU, Wachovia, or whatever it is called now stadium.
- ravishingone

The Flyers seem to wait longer to retire jerseys than most teams do

Hextall's price was $2 million and he held firm. You can assign to it any reason you want as to why he held firm. We will probably never know.
- jstross

I wouldn't have even given Ott $2M over 2 years

The Flyers seem to wait longer to retire jerseys than most teams do
- PhillySportsGuy

Understood, but his acquisition breathed life back into the organization. It would be nice to retire a jersey before a guy is over the age of 50. He meant a great deal to the organization as far as increasing the value it is today.

Flyersgod is coming back soon.
- PhillySportsGuy

I look forward to that like I look forward to flying to Haiti for a blood transfusion

Hextall's price was $2 million and he held firm on HIS price. You can assign to it any reason you want as to why he held firm. We will probably never know.
- jstross

I do know because I know the salary cap numbers. That is about all he had to offer. That's my point. Based on that, I don't think we can assume that he was playing hard ball, and that's all he was willing to offer.

Understood, but his acquisition breathed life back into the organization. It would be nice to retire a jersey before a guy is over the age of 50. He meant a great deal to the organization as far as increasing the value it is today.
- ravishingone

Yeah. I agree. I would like to see guys get their due a little earlier. It may get people talking about his HOF candidacy too.

I look forward to that like I look forward to flying to Haiti for a blood transfusion
- KINGKENZO

I wonder what his first day back will be like. I feel like he'll be so excited and blurt out something bannable again.