Omg Dubinsky at 5.85!?!?!? 6 years!!!

Yes, and the hockey people I've talked to who think MacDonald is a solid two-way NHL defenseman include a couple pro scouts who played more than a combined 2,000 NHL games as defensemen and have roughly 25 years of combined NHL scouting experience after their playing careers. Bill Clement also feels the same (and he will give you a straight opinion if he doesn't think someone is very good). He was only a 2-time NHL All-Star as a defensive forward and has more than a quarter century of hockey broadcasting experience, including a lengthy stint on the national level.

But, hey, what would people like that know about who can and can't play in this league, especially on D? Clearly they need to start focusing exclusively on Corsi/Fenwick charts to know the real story.
- bmeltzer

You Corsi'd him! Bang! [/img]

Yes, and the hockey people I've talked to who think MacDonald is a solid two-way NHL defenseman include a couple pro scouts who played more than a combined 2,000 NHL games as defensemen and have roughly 25 years of combined NHL scouting experience after their playing careers. Bill Clement also feels the same (and he will give you a straight opinion if he doesn't think someone is very good). He was only a 2-time NHL All-Star as a defensive forward and has more than a quarter century of hockey broadcasting experience, including a lengthy stint on the national level.

But, hey, what would people like that know about who can and can't play in this league, especially on D? Clearly they need to start focusing exclusively on Corsi/Fenwick charts to know the real story.
- bmeltzer

The sad part is that someone with that level of incompetence can actually write a blog that will be actually read.

Round 2??

Everythingz ball bearins these dayz
- Giroux_Is_God

well...the "so you're saying..." got me. it's a pavlovian response. i am literally unable to stop myself.

The sad part is that someone with that level of incompetence can actually write a blog that will be actually read.
- MJL

Who posted that link? We should get them banned... Where's OB?

Since the Flyers currently lack a 2015 second-round pick, it would have to be the Flyers' 2016 second-rounder plus something such as the third-round pick in 2015 that was acquired from Columbus.
- bmeltzer

110% worth it for a 22 year old NHL-ready 1st round pick. We need to get this done, these opportunities don't come around every year.

Who posted that link? We should get them banned... Where's OB?
- mayorofangrytown

I'm glad he posted it , I needed a laugh.

You have an avatar!
- PhillySportsGuy

Joey Joe Joe Shabadoo

110% worth it for a 22 year old NHL-ready 1st round pick. We need to get this done, these opportunities don't come around every year.
- JAKEw1234

And if he goes and signs with another team and we are down 2 picks?

This isn't like giving up 2 picks to sign the next Sidney Crosby or Shea Weber. It's a guy who MAYBE can play top-6 LW in the NHL. Giving up picks just to talk to the kid for a month is a huge gamble.

Joey Joe Joe Shabadoo
- jmatchett383

That's the worst name I ever heard.

That's the worst name I ever heard.
- MBFlyerfan

Joey Joe Joe...come back!

Omg Dubinsky at 5.85!?!?!? 6 years!!!
- Just5

$5+ million is market value for a UFA 40-50 point 2C who also has heavy defensive responsibilities and performs them admirably.

$5+ million is market value for a UFA 40-50 point 2C who also has heavy defensive responsibilities and performs them admirably.
- Feanor

I guess your right. Times they are a changin

And if he goes and signs with another team and we are down 2 picks?

This isn't like giving up 2 picks to sign the next Sidney Crosby or Shea Weber. It's a guy who MAYBE can play top-6 LW in the NHL. Giving up picks just to talk to the kid for a month is a huge gamble.
- jmatchett383

It's a gamble I'd take. Philly is a desirable place for FAs, and we have a top 6 spot to give him, possibly even one next to a Hart candidate. On top of that, we have a whole month to talk to him. If we get him signed then we've traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick for a 1st rounder that is ready for the big league. Is it allowed to ask Chicago for permission to talk to him briefly and gauge if he's open to signing with us before trading for him?

Yes, and the hockey people I've talked to who think MacDonald is a solid two-way NHL defenseman include a couple pro scouts who played more than a combined 2,000 NHL games as defensemen and have roughly 25 years of combined NHL scouting experience after their playing careers. Bill Clement also feels the same (and he will give you a straight opinion if he doesn't think someone is very good). He was only a 2-time NHL All-Star as a defensive forward and has more than a quarter century of hockey broadcasting experience, including a lengthy stint on the national level.

But, hey, what would people like that know about who can and can't play in this league, especially on D? Clearly they need to start focusing exclusively on Corsi/Fenwick charts to know the real story.
- bmeltzer

IT
IS
ON!!!!

$5+ million is market value for a UFA 40-50 point 2C who also has heavy defensive responsibilities and performs them admirably.
- Feanor

Only the Flyers and Paul Holmgren overpay players and negotiate bad contracts.

It's a gamble I'd take. Philly is a desirable place for FAs, and we have a top 6 spot to give him, possibly even one next to a Hart candidate. On top of that, we have a whole month to talk to him. If we get him signed then we've traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick for a 1st rounder that is ready for the big league. Is it allowed to ask Chicago for permission to talk to him briefly and gauge if he's open to signing with us before trading for him?
- JAKEw1234

I think I would make that part of the deal. Find out if the kid is willing to sign here before making the trade.

Only the Flyers and Paul Holmgren overpay players and negotiate bad contracts.

- MJL

Dude A jumps off a cliff in chase of a rainbow.
Dude B also jumps off a cliff in chase of a rainbow.
Dude C continues the trend.
Look man, everyone is doing it!

Yes, and the hockey people I've talked to who think MacDonald is a solid two-way NHL defenseman include a couple pro scouts who played more than a combined 2,000 NHL games as defensemen and have roughly 25 years of combined NHL scouting experience after their playing careers. Bill Clement also feels the same (and he will give you a straight opinion if he doesn't think someone is very good). He was only a 2-time NHL All-Star as a defensive forward and has more than a quarter century of hockey broadcasting experience, including a lengthy stint on the national level.

But, hey, what would people like that know about who can and can't play in this league, especially on D? Clearly they need to start focusing exclusively on Corsi/Fenwick charts to know the real story.
- bmeltzer

Everything tells a story whether stats or the eye test. I think Amac epitomizes the debate between them because he looks solid, but the numbers don't back him up.

I'm glad he posted it , I needed a laugh.
- MJL

Love how some people view Amac as a 3/4 defenseman and anyone who views Amac as a 4/5 defenseman is completely anti-Amac and relies completely on Corsi numbers in evaluating him.

If they trade for the hayes kids rights, would they then get the 2nd rounder in the 2015 draft? so they either get the kid or a 2nd rounder in a draft that thy don't have a second rounder and likely give up assets 2 drafts from now.
I would be OK with either outcome

If they trade for the hayes kids rights, would they then get the 2nd rounder in the 2015 draft? so they either get the kid or a 2nd rounder in a draft that thy don't have a second rounder and likely give up assets 2 drafts from now.
I would be OK with either outcome
- nails

I don't believe they would receive compensation. It would be all or nothing

Love how some people view Amac as a 3/4 defenseman and anyone who views Amac as a 4/5 defenseman is completely anti-Amac and relies completely on Corsi numbers in evaluating him.
- PhillySportsGuy

Don't know where your getting that from, or where that was said.

Everything tells a story whether stats or the eye test. I think Amac epitomizes the debate between them because he looks solid, but the numbers don't back him up.
- aflyerpower8

One of the truths about Corsi is that sometimes good players on bad teams have bad numbers.

Love how some people view Amac as a 3/4 defenseman and anyone who views Amac as a 4/5 defenseman is completely anti-Amac and relies completely on Corsi numbers in evaluating him.
- PhillySportsGuy

Nonsense man.

How dare anyone question the organization. All is well. Hell I'm sure the 'season that shall not be named' was a bright spot as well. Beat the orange meat.