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wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 11 @ 11:34 AM ET
We need Winning to start recruiting him through Twitter.
- aightwebang17


Stalking, recruiting...whatever works.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 11 @ 11:35 AM ET
can the Flyers offer him a one way deal or does it have to be a two way entry level deal?
- nastyflyergirl


All entry-level deals are two-way contracts. The max base salary he can get is $900K at the NHL level but there is a bit of wiggle room with signing bonus and a bit more with performance bonuses.

The cap cushion would limit his in-season cap hit, though collected bonuses could worsen the Flyers likely overage and cap penalties incurred in 2015-16.

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 11 @ 11:36 AM ET
would love to see them sign Kevin Hayes,
a speedy winger with size is a need

the Dubinsky contract, my first instinct is wow that is a lot of $, but I guess they just paid him what the going rate would be if he hit UFA

anthony has some encouraging tweets from the prospect camp

Anthony Mingioni @AnthonyMingioni
Call it Classic Swedish training but Oskar Lindbolm's passing & stick handling is as smooth as silk
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:40 AM ET
Yeah, guy's $ is capped no matter where he goes, so it's purely about fit. Why would he want to sign here, and have to knock out a veteran top-9 player from the roster, when he could go to FLA to play w/ his bro, or CGY to reunite w/ his linemates (Gaudreau/Arnold)?
- Tomahawk


If the Flyers move VL, they'll have Voracek, Simmonds, Read, Umberger and Raffl as the top 5 wingers on the team. I definitely see him being able to find a spot in the top 6 this year. Read, Umberger and Raffl are all candidates to play with Couts on the 3rd line too.

1. Flyers give him a chance to play right away
2. Flyers were a playoff team last season
3. Flyers are thin at wing on the roster and system overall
4. Flyers are located 6 hours from his hometown
5. Hayes has an opportunity to play on a line with a top 5 center in hockey

I'm not saying he signs with the Flyers, but they offer incentives that not many other teams can
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 11 @ 11:41 AM ET
I know how we recruit since we cant use $: Use Sheena Parveen. Her bo packed up and moved to Ohio
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jul 11 @ 11:43 AM ET
Yes, I am aware of that....the point was HE NEVER wanted anything to do with Philly. That was a desperation hope.

At least with Kimmo and Scottie it was pretty clear they had interest.

I have no problem with the move if someone in the organization has INSIDE information that he is in fact interested in Philly. This whole Islanders approach of grabbing rights and convincing shouldnt happen here.

- juiced


With Timonen and Hartnell, their new long-term contracts were announced on the same day as the trade with Nashville. So, yeah, it was pretty clear they had interest... seeing as how a pair of big contracts "magically" got done like that.

As for Hayes, I would of course want the Flyers to obtain permission to talk with Hayes' agent first and see if he was agreeable to signing here before I would trade assets to get his rights.

Why would Hayes sign here? How about the fact that there is no set-in-stone replacement for Hartnell PLUS when/if Lecavalier gets traded by the start of next season there would actually be two top-six spots available for someone to step up and win.

I'd call that a pretty good opportunity.


PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 11 @ 11:52 AM ET
With Timonen and Hartnell, their new long-term contracts were announced on the same day as the trade with Nashville. So, yeah, it was pretty clear they had interest... seeing as how a pair of big contracts "magically" got done like that.

As for Hayes, I would of course want the Flyers to obtain permission to talk with Hayes' agent first and see if he was agreeable to signing here before I would trade assets to get his rights.

Why would Hayes sign here? How about the fact that there is no set-in-stone replacement for Hartnell PLUS when/if Lecavalier gets traded by the start of next season there would actually be two top-six spots available for someone to step up and win.

I'd call that a pretty good opportunity.

- bmeltzer


Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 11 @ 11:52 AM ET
Bill do you have source the Flyers would be interested in Hayes or is it just speculation ?
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Jul 11 @ 11:53 AM ET
With Timonen and Hartnell, their new long-term contracts were announced on the same day as the trade with Nashville. So, yeah, it was pretty clear they had interest... seeing as how a pair of big contracts "magically" got done like that.

As for Hayes, I would of course want the Flyers to obtain permission to talk with Hayes' agent first and see if he was agreeable to signing here before I would trade assets to get his rights.

Why would Hayes sign here? How about the fact that there is no set-in-stone replacement for Hartnell PLUS when/if Lecavalier gets traded by the start of next season there would actually be two top-six spots available for someone to step up and win.

I'd call that a pretty good opportunity.

- bmeltzer


I also would have no problem with the conditions you laid forth and I do think we provide opportunity and upside for him as far as opportunity and development.

I was merely commenting on the idea of tading picks in a vacuum with no indication of interest...especially with Hexy saying we need to value our draft picks more than we may have in the past. That in no way means I dont think Hayes is worthy of a couple later picks if he wants to be here. We definitely could use some young size on the wings for sure.

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 11 @ 11:56 AM ET
Bill do you have source the Flyers would be interested in Hayes or is it just speculation ?
- Winning

how would they not be?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 11 @ 11:58 AM ET
Every young winger should want to play with Giroux. He'll get them goals and make them money.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 11 @ 12:01 PM ET
hes gonna go to Florida for his brother and old pal Jonathan Huberdeau
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:03 PM ET
More from Mingioni: Gostisbehere or Laughton were the best at this speed burst test.

https://vine.co/v/MxZtuzp3enn
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 11 @ 12:03 PM ET
hes gonna go to Florida for his brother and old pal Jonathan Huberdeau
- Winning


He probably played in front of more fans in BC than he would in Florida
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Jul 11 @ 12:08 PM ET
With Timonen and Hartnell, their new long-term contracts were announced on the same day as the trade with Nashville. So, yeah, it was pretty clear they had interest... seeing as how a pair of big contracts "magically" got done like that.

As for Hayes, I would of course want the Flyers to obtain permission to talk with Hayes' agent first and see if he was agreeable to signing here before I would trade assets to get his rights.

Why would Hayes sign here? How about the fact that there is no set-in-stone replacement for Hartnell PLUS when/if Lecavalier gets traded by the start of next season there would actually be two top-six spots available for someone to step up and win.

I'd call that a pretty good opportunity.

- bmeltzer


Bill if the Flyers were to trade a 2nd and additional asset for Hayes rights and fail to sign him do they still recieve the compensation pick Chicago would've recieved if they did not trade and failed to sign him?
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:16 PM ET
hes gonna go to Florida for his brother and old pal Jonathan Huberdeau
- Winning

why would anyone willingly sign in Florida
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jul 11 @ 12:18 PM ET
why would anyone willingly sign in Florida
- aightwebang17


Ekblad
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:20 PM ET
Ekblad
- Streit2ThePoint

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:21 PM ET
why would anyone willingly sign in Florida
- aightwebang17

the tax thing?
good cuban food?
south beach?
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:22 PM ET
the tax thing?
good cuban food?
south beach?

- Marc D

Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 11 @ 12:22 PM ET
lebron is coming home to Clevland its over
yes
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:22 PM ET
Also, I never like these types of holdouts. How about you sign with the team that drafted you and earn your spot on the roster?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 11 @ 12:23 PM ET


ghost is a giant
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jul 11 @ 12:23 PM ET
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 11 @ 12:24 PM ET
you calling bill a liar ?
- -davies-

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