Kane's playoffs stats?
- VANTEL

I'm not comparing the two. Only saying I don't believe Lu is everything you believe him to be. Is he a great hockey player? For sure, he made it to the show and win a cup, but I don't buy the hype.

Barry trotz has had some good success with d men.
- Yeti1181

Will be interesting to see how he does with an owner who wants to spend to the cap.

I think there seems to be a bit of a misconception with respect to 'ole-time'hockey'. A lot of people think there was this magical wonderful hockey code that players adhered to and which was romanticized as the 'good ole days'. Well, based on reading quite a bit of material on 50's and 60's, 70's hockey, it seems there was just as little respect (if not more - in terms of violent incidents) for fellow players as there is today.

I do agree with your comments, as Lucic does have that hockey gangster make-up. But if you look back on hockey played in the 50's 60's and 70's there was that same sort of element/philosophy as is the case today with respect to 'tough-hockey" - "go out there and knock his @#%@#$#@ teeth out!". I just don't think it's really fair to single out Lucic, as if he is the one that introduced this to hockey.

And again, please note I am not a huge fan of Lucic, but I would LOVE to have him on my team (although I seem to be contradicting myself - I suppose I am a bit of fan )

I'm just curious so bear with me, but if we could get Lucic for a reasonable offer, would you not want him on the Canucks?

P.S. full disclaimer - there are a few players out there which I really have no logical reason for disliking yet there it is, I woudn't want any of these players on my team. Yes, man is a complex @#$er
- Zogg

No, I wouldn't want him on my team, for a lot of the same reasons I was in favor of moving Kesler several years ago. Do I want big, tough to play against, DR. Troy Alphas? Sure, ego is important, physical domination is important, I just don't want that guy.

Can anyone recommend a tattoo artist in Vancouver/Lower Mainland? Pretty small piece that is primarily line work, so I would rather not mortgage my first born son and go to the Dutchman

Will be interesting to see how he does with an owner who wants to spend to the cap.
- classic321

Agreed

Agreed
- Yeti1181

In my opinion trotz is the exact wrong person for the job in Washington. Not because I dont believe he can be offensive. Simply because I believe that NOBODY can get through to Ovechkin to be a two way player. As ridiculous as I sound. OV will never win a cup. And I dont care who the coach is.

In my opinion trotz is the exact wrong person for the job in Washington. Not because I dont believe he can be offensive. Simply because I believe that NOBODY can get through to Ovechkin to be a two way player. As ridiculous as I sound. OV will never win a cup. And I dont care who the coach is.
- vancity787

Not every player needs to be a 200' player to win a cup. Why not set up your system to enhance one of the best goal scorers in the game?

Kane's playoffs stats?
- VANTEL

Ahhh, you're trolling... (frank)sakes the whole night I thought you were being serious

No, I wouldn't want him on my team, for a lot of the same reasons I was in favor of moving Kesler several years ago. Do I want big, tough to play against, DR. Troy Alphas? Sure, ego is important, physical domination is important, I just don't want that guy.
- 1970vintage

I suppose it comes down to how much do you want to win? I can personally relate with respect to your stance, as there are a few players which I simply don't like and don't want to have on my team (i.e. Marchand to name one), but the fact of the matter is, you can't let your own emotions get in the way of making your team better (in a perfect world, every Canucks player would net a significant return, provide consistent production at a reasonable cap hit, while also being a fantastic team-player and media-friendly individual). However, rarely do you see all of these traits in one individual (H Sedin is a player I would fit into that category along with a few others like Stevie Y, Joe Sakic, Gretzky, Datsyuk, St Louis, Crosby, to name a few)

By the way, bear with me as I'm not sure I recall seeing your views on Kesler and why you wanted him to move on. Was it a character issue? injury propensity, a bit of selfish element to his game, or some other aspect which you didn't like (or all of the above lol)

I suppose it comes down to how much do you want to win? I can personally relate with respect to your stance, as there are a few players which I simply don't like and don't want to have on my team (i.e. Marchand to name one), but the fact of the matter is, you can't let your own emotions get in the way of making your team better (in a perfect world, every Canucks player would net a significant return, provide consistent production at a reasonable cap hit, while also being a fantastic team-player and media-friendly individual). However, rarely do you see all of these traits in one individual (H Sedin is a player I would fit into that category along with a few others like Stevie Y, Joe Sakic, Gretzky, Datsyuk, St Louis, Crosby, to name a few)

By the way, bear with me as I'm not sure I recall seeing your views on Kesler and why you wanted him to move on. Was it a character issue? injury propensity, a bit of selfish element to his game, or some other aspect which you didn't like (or all of the above lol)
- Zogg

I suppose it comes down to how much do you want to win? I can personally relate with respect to your stance, as there are a few players which I simply don't like and don't want to have on my team (i.e. Marchand to name one), but the fact of the matter is, you can't let your own emotions get in the way of making your team better (in a perfect world, every Canucks player would net a significant return, provide consistent production at a reasonable cap hit, while also being a fantastic team-player and media-friendly individual). However, rarely do you see all of these traits in one individual (H Sedin is a player I would fit into that category along with a few others like Stevie Y, Joe Sakic, Gretzky, Datsyuk, St Louis, Crosby, to name a few)

By the way, bear with me as I'm not sure I recall seeing your views on Kesler and why you wanted him to move on. Was it a character issue? injury propensity, a bit of selfish element to his game, or some other aspect which you didn't like (or all of the above lol)
- Zogg

Canucks couldn't win with Kesler, my stance is that they won (not the cup obviously) despite him. He makes things about him, I believe Lucic is the same in that regard. It's a total character thing. Successful organizations have a shared vision, the leadership people promote that vision constantly with both action and words and the minions fall in line. Kesler is only interested in one person, himself.

I believe this team will actually be much improved next season without RK17, even if Duckers stats say otherwise.

Edit - and I want this team to win as much as anyone else, I just don't think Lu would help this team that much.

Canucks couldn't win with Kesler, my stance is that they won (not the cup obviously) despite him. He makes things about him, I believe Lucic is the same in that regard. It's a total character thing. Successful organizations have a shared vision, the leadership people promote that vision constantly with both action and words and the minions fall in line. Kesler is only interested in one person, himself.

I believe this team will actually be much improved next season without RK17, even if Duckers stats say otherwise.

Edit - and I want this team to win as much as anyone else, I just don't think Lu would help this team that much.
- 1970vintage

Thanks for clarifying. I agree with most of your points with respect to Kesler. It's too bad, really, that he put forth (or simply has) such a negative personality, because his hockey skills/instincts are excellent. However, it seems like his character is/was questioned daily. Thus, it will be interesting to see how he does next year. Will it be the same ole same ole shoot-first/pass-later Kesler who misses 25 games a season, or will it be the Kesler that was nominated/won the Selke trophy not too long ago in 2011).

In any case, I think he'll certainly have the incentive to provide quality play and production. I would say that it all depends on his health (which I don't think instills much confidence in the Anaheim faithful) and his willingness to park his ego at the door.

I miss the previous bloggers far fetched trade scenarios.

Edler for the 5th overall pick in 2013 (Lindholm/Monahan) and Schneider for Letang.

Carol..you make too much sense!

I'm not comparing the two. Only saying I don't believe Lu is everything you believe him to be. Is he a great hockey player? For sure, he made it to the show and win a cup, but I don't buy the hype.
- 1970vintage

I am not saying he is all that. The conversation got going when DCT gave a to LUcic, and I asked how can you hate LUcic and Kane. They are similar DBags.

Canucks couldn't win with Kesler, my stance is that they won (not the cup obviously) despite him. He makes things about him, I believe Lucic is the same in that regard. It's a total character thing. Successful organizations have a shared vision, the leadership people promote that vision constantly with both action and words and the minions fall in line. Kesler is only interested in one person, himself.

I believe this team will actually be much improved next season without RK17, even if Duckers stats say otherwise.

Edit - and I want this team to win as much as anyone else, I just don't think Lu would help this team that much.
- 1970vintage

Which first line gives them a better shot at a cup.

LUcic Hank Vrbata

Kane Hank Vrbata

Daniel Hank Vrbata

Which first line gives them a better shot at a cup.

LUcic Hank Vrbata

Kane Hank Vrbata

Daniel Hank Vrbata
- VANTEL

Any line without Daniel, right?

Any line without Daniel, right?
- Canuckleafer

Choose your own line, but if I was building I would go with line A

E. Kane > Lucic

What about making a play for someone like Tyler Myers?
- Yeti1181

I'd like to understand why Buffalo are dangling Myers. After shipping out Ehrhoff they've got no one else on the blue line of any value, certainly not to build a franchise around.

I'd like to understand why Buffalo are dangling Myers. After shipping out Ehrhoff they've got no one else on the blue line of any value, certainly not to build a franchise around.
- AlexF

Myers would cost too many valuable assets which are just starting collect in small numbers. We don't need him with Hammer, Juice, Eddie and Tanev here.

Myers would cost too many valuable assets which are just starting collect in small numbers. We don't need him with Hammer, Juice, Eddie and Tanev here.
- LeftCoaster

I'm not talking about from a Canucks perspective (I don't think we should trade for him either) I'm talking from Buffalo's perspective. Makes no sense to trade him, even if they wanted to tank.

Choose your own line, but if I was building I would go with line A
- VANTEL

You'd build around hank and Vrbata.

I'm not talking about from a Canucks perspective (I don't think we should trade for him either) I'm talking from Buffalo's perspective. Makes no sense to trade him, even if they wanted to tank.
- AlexF

Ya I don't know WTF they're thinking??? Let the kid develop into a better player. I'm not saying he's Pronger or Chara but the Whalers and Islanders gave up on them way to early, how'd that turn out?

I miss the previous bloggers far fetched trade scenarios.

Edler for the 5th overall pick in 2013 (Lindholm/Monahan) and Schneider for Letang.

Carol..you make too much sense!
- GardinerExpress

Todd? Don't recall him making any far fetched trade proposals. If you miss him, just read the NJ posts instead?

Which first line gives them a better shot at a cup.

LUcic Hank Vrbata

Kane Hank Vrbata

Daniel Hank Vrbata
- VANTEL

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