jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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I actually like Hemsky. Always have.
Solid skill player crippled by injuries. - flyer_nutter
He's another one of those guys who gets his points, but he's never able to elevate his game when he needs to. |
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flyer_nutter
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Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB Joined: 10.16.2008
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Also, Jokinen's career -138 is phenomenal. - jmatchett383
Jokinen on a year 2.5 million deal is incredibly low risk. To me anyway.
I don't think its too wild to conclude which organization is laughing at which when it comes to LeCavalier vs Jokinen.
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Rocktane
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Location: Ottawa, ON Joined: 03.08.2011
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Also, Jokinen's career -138 is phenomenal. - jmatchett383
1200 games worth of hockey and the guy has only made the PO's once... I think that says something about the teams he's found himself on. |
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mayorofangrytown
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Location: Downingtown, PA Joined: 08.16.2006
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Born to be a Flyer  - Rocktane
If I was his dad there would be a long car ride home from the rink. |
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AllInForFlyers
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Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks Joined: 03.18.2013
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Let's be honest: All four players -- Lecavalier, Roy, Jokinen and Ribeiro -- aren't worth all of the time we spend on them.
I pity David Poile. Those are the signings you make when you are a desperate GM, when you can see the axe swinging if/when you don't make the playoffs.
Let me put it this way: If I was a GM and I've missed the playoffs two seasons in a row, I don't think I'd be counting on Derek Roy, Olli Jokinen and Mike Ribeiro to save my ass.
Maybe if it was 2007. But not 2014.
The best thing about Vinny is at least he's just one guy. You can move him down or scratch him if he doesn't play well. It's costly, but at least he's just one guy. While the other three guys are cheap, they're still on your NHL roster. |
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flyer_nutter
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Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB Joined: 10.16.2008
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1200 games worth of hockey and the guy has only made the PO's once... I think that says something about the teams he's found himself on. - Tomahawk
Hell I'd rather have traded Hartnell for Jokinen's UFA rights.
At least you aren't taking a bad contract back in that deal. |
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johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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Olli Jokinen is possibly the worst "star" player in the NHL, maybe next to Ales Hemsky. - jmatchett383
I agree.
Olli was picked 3rd overall. His greatest personal successes have come in a terrible hockey market and I don't think it's a coincidence he's only played in 6 playoff games in an 1100+ game career. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Jokinen on a year 2.5 million deal is incredibly low risk. To me anyway.
I don't think its too wild to conclude which organization is laughing at which when it comes to LeCavalier vs Jokinen. - flyer_nutter
I'm not comparing term/contract. Only a simple on-ice basis, I'll take VL. |
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johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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1200 games worth of hockey and the guy has only made the PO's once... I think that says something about the teams he's found himself on. - Tomahawk
I also don't think it's a coincidence, either. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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1200 games worth of hockey and the guy has only made the PO's once... I think that says something about the teams he's found himself on. - Tomahawk
Think it says something about his ability to produce in key areas. |
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Intangibles? Are you referring to Olli Jokinen crumbling under pressure, Ribiero being a locker room cancer, or Roy's inability to outmuscle my grandmother?
Edit: Can we please wait and see how Vinny looks, at least in camp, before labeling him as "injury prone?" - jmatchett383
NO!!! You know the mantra...our players who have a bad transition year are permanently damaged goods yet Ribero's terrible year is an abberation and he will rebound for sure.
This will be enjoyable when Vinny puts up 60+ points and revisionist history sets in. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Hell I'd rather have traded Hartnell for Jokinen's UFA rights.
At least you aren't taking a bad contract back in that deal.  - flyer_nutter
Olli Jokinen is a bad contract at 0 cents. |
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flyer_nutter
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Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB Joined: 10.16.2008
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NO!!! You know the mantra...our players who have a bad transition year are permanently damaged goods yet Ribero's terrible year is an abberation and he will rebound for sure.
This will be enjoyable when Vinny puts up 60+ points and revisionist history sets in. - juiced
I really hope it will be enjoyable in a few years time when Umberger, LeCavalier and Streit are under contract having a combined cap hit of roughly 14 million.
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johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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Think it says something about his ability to produce in key areas. - jmatchett383
Olli Jokinen is like the Ted McGinley of hockey players.
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moylander
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 06.14.2011
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VL is going to have a solid season somewhere. I don't mind if its with Philly. |
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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I also don't think it's a coincidence, either. - johndewar
He's been a really good player for Finland at WC's and Olympics when he gets to play alongside good players against great competition, though.
I think if you swap Vinny and Olli's career paths and left everything else equal, I'm not sure Olli wouldn't have had just as good of a career as Vinny has had. |
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mochoson
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Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ Joined: 02.28.2009
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Intangibles? Are you referring to Olli Jokinen crumbling under pressure, Ribiero being a locker room cancer, or Roy's inability to outmuscle my grandmother?
Edit: Can we please wait and see how Vinny looks, at least in camp, before labeling him as "injury prone?" - jmatchett383
Considering he's missed 51 games the last 4 seasons, no.
He's a good bet to miss at least 10 games this year at a minimum. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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I really hope it will be enjoyable in a few years time when Umberger, LeCavalier, Streit and Macdonald are under contract having a combined cap hit of roughly 15 million.
 - flyer_nutter
I don't expect 2 of them to be on the roster by then. I don't know which 2, though. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Considering he's missed 51 games the last 4 seasons, no.
He's a good bet to miss at least 10 games this year at a minimum. - mochoson
Are they chronic injuries, where it's been the same nagging injury over and over? Or are they thing like broken bones and pulls? |
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johndewar
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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NO!!! You know the mantra...our players who have a bad transition year are permanently damaged goods yet Ribero's terrible year is an abberation and he will rebound for sure.
This will be enjoyable when Vinny puts up 60+ points and revisionist history sets in. - juiced
Basically, the way Vinny moved around on the ice last year, a rebound year is all the Flyers can put stock in at this point.
You essentially need to hope a player, approaching his mid-30's, can shake off injuries and age and somehow, maintain the semblance of the highly functional hockey player they are paying him to be. |
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Olli Jokinen is a bad contract at 0 cents. - jmatchett383
he still finds the back of the net every single time he plays against us
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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he still finds the back of the net every single time he plays against us - MrBigglesworth
Except in Game 82 of 09/10. Did he even try a move? He just kinda drifted to the right and tried a weak backhand.
Olli Jokinen will score 1G/2A in game his team loses 6-4. He will score 0G/0A and be a -1 in a game his team wins 3-2. |
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flyer_nutter
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Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB Joined: 10.16.2008
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I don't expect 2 of them to be on the roster by then. - jmatchett383
The Flyers better damn well hope that's the case.
LeCavalier has a chance to play his way off a team that doesn't want him. I don't think anyone touches any of those contracts unless the Flyers take another bad deal back.
Will be really interesting when the younger kids (bSchenn/Coots), Voracek and Coburn need new contracts in a couple of seasons.
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wolfhounds
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Location: PA Joined: 06.02.2009
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I'm not comparing term/contract. Only a simple on-ice basis, I'll take VL. - jmatchett383
That has to be considered as well.
Hopefully VL has a bounceback year, but there's little doubt we're stuck with him when it's clear the team would rather move on. |
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