you really think the current path this team is on is sustainable? and you really think coburn can put a team in the playoffs by himself?
- 2Real

What is the current path exactly?

Making Streit or MacDonald play on the first pairing with 39 year old Kimmo is not sustainable for a playoff team. They would get killed by other teams top lines due to their lack of size and speed.

Trading Grossmann to a team like Minnesota for a pick makes a lot more sense if the Flyers really want to use LTIR Option 1.

And now, 2 poll questions for the day

1. Most beloved player who never played for the Flyers. Can be from any era.
and
2. Most hated player who never played for the Flyers. Can also be from any era.

My choices are:
1. Gordie Howe
2. Tomas Sandstrom

Yours?
- BiggE

1. Fedorov
2. Kasparitis

Doubt it, 3 million is still 3 million
- BiggE

is $3 million really all that much after a lifetime earnings of over $100 million?

easiest way to solve the cap issue is to trade coburn for picks
- 2Real

Yeah I want to trade the most mobile durable minute eating dman for picks. the level of underappreciation there is for Coburn blows my mind sometimes.

And now, 2 poll questions for the day

1. Most beloved player who never played for the Flyers. Can be from any era.
and
2. Most hated player who never played for the Flyers. Can also be from any era.

My choices are:
1. Gordie Howe
2. Tomas Sandstrom

Yours?
- BiggE

lots of Jersey Devils are hated....Stevens, Lemieux, Elias, Brodeur

Beloved- Orr
Hated- Tie Domi

is $3 million really all that much after a lifetime earnings of over $100 million?
- jstross

....said no rich person ever.

Yeah I want to trade the most mobile durable minute eating dman for picks. the level of underappreciation there is for Coburn blows my mind sometimes.
- nastyflyergirl

Everyone needs a scapegoat

Doubt it, 3 million is still 3 million
- BiggE

He should got to the KHL. Tax free income.

....said no rich person ever.
- johndewar

I would think a lot would depend on health. Why cripple himself when he gets a $1.76 million check every year from 2016 until 2026 from Tampa. That would be after making about $91 million.

easiest way to solve the cap issue is to trade coburn for picks
- 2Real

Yeah, trading your best defender on a defensively challenged team, who also happens to have a great cap hit and is still in his 20s, is always the best option.

Everyone needs a scapegoat
- mcefalu

It's the anecdotal poop that really fuels the Coburn hate... yeah, it seems like he's on the ice for a LOT of goals against... but only because he's on the ice a LOT and almost always out against the other team's best players.

Try putting AMac or Luke Schenn or Grossmann out there against OV/Malkin/Stamkos for 20min/game.... I suspect people would start to appreciate just how good of a job Coburn has been doing of keeping those kinds of players in check.

Honestly, I am really hoping this happens. I know that it probably won't, but I'd love to see a guy like Mark Alt make the team and then force Hexy to move one of Grossmann, Schenn or Macdonald. Wishful thinking, I know.
- mcefalu

Alt is never going to "knock them over the head". He's perfectly capable of playing in Grossmann's spot but he is never going to push him out of a job.

It's the anecdotal poop that really fuels the Coburn hate... yeah, it seems like he's on the ice for a LOT of goals against... but only because he's on the ice a LOT and almost always out against the other team's best players.

Try putting AMac or Luke Schenn or Grossmann out there against OV/Malkin/Stamkos for 20min/game.... I suspect people would start to appreciate just how good of a job Coburn has been doing of keeping those kinds of players in check.
- Tomahawk

it irritates me to no end.

2real is losing all his street cred with his constant bashing of Coburn.

It's the anecdotal poop that really fuels the Coburn hate... yeah, it seems like he's on the ice for a LOT of goals against... but only because he's on the ice a LOT and almost always out against the other team's best players.

Try putting AMac or Luke Schenn or Grossmann out there against OV/Malkin/Stamkos for 20min/game.... I suspect people would start to appreciate just how good of a job Coburn has been doing of keeping those kinds of players in check.
- Tomahawk

...the terror of that thought

Alt is never going to "knock them over the head". He's perfectly capable of playing in Grossmann's spot but he is never going to push him out of a job.
- mayorofangrytown

Never? I didn't realize it was impossible. So you've seen him play quite a bit then, I assume.

It's the anecdotal poop that really fuels the Coburn hate... yeah, it seems like he's on the ice for a LOT of goals against... but only because he's on the ice a LOT and almost always out against the other team's best players.

Try putting AMac or Luke Schenn or Grossmann out there against OV/Malkin/Stamkos for 20min/game.... I suspect people would start to appreciate just how good of a job Coburn has been doing of keeping those kinds of players in check.
- Tomahawk

Same with Phaneuf too

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- bmeltzer

If Vinny is on this team I am going to root for him and hope he does well. I hope that Uber Douchbag Cataldi doesnt try to lead some sort of charge to rip on him every day

Same with Phaneuf too
- PhillySportsGuy

You stop it right there, mister.

Never? I didn't realize it was impossible. So you've seen him play quite a bit then, I assume.
- mcefalu

I watched a lot of Phantoms games last year. If they traded Grossmann Alt could eat his minutes. I'm not saying he can't play in the NHL, he probably could but I don't think he can force their hand. He's not at that level.

Some of the other kids will force their hand at some point. They'll probably be that good. Alt will probably aspire to solid.

I watched a lot of Phantoms games last year. If they traded Grossmann Alt could eat his minutes. I'm not saying he can't play in the NHL, he probably could but I don't think he can force their hand. He's not at that level.

Some of the other kids will force their hand at some point. They'll probably be that good. Alt will probably aspire to solid.
- mayorofangrytown

Gotcha. Well, it's fun to dream.

I watched a lot of Phantoms games last year. If they traded Grossmann Alt could eat his minutes. I'm not saying he can't play in the NHL, he probably could but I don't think he can force their hand. He's not at that level.

Some of the other kids will force their hand at some point. They'll probably be that good. Alt will probably aspire to solid.
- mayorofangrytown

If he can be a solid 3rd pair guy, that'd be fine with me. He's got good size & seems fairly mobile. Teams can do a lot worse than that.

If Vinny is on this team I am going to root for him and hope he does well. I hope that Uber Douchbag Cataldi doesnt try to lead some sort of charge to rip on him every day
- MBFlyerfan

I heard him ripping the Sixers this morning even though Noel has looked like a stud in Summer League and Embiid's doctor says he'll be back 100% and should be able to have a long career.

He says these things to get the masses worked up. He's like the Skip Bayless of Philly.

I heard him ripping the Sixers this morning even though Noel has looked like a stud in Summer League and Embiid's doctor says he'll be back 100% and should be able to have a long career.

He says these things to get the masses worked up. He's like the Skip Bayless of Philly.
- PhillySportsGuy

Cataldi is the 2real/winning of radio