I don't see anything saying poor work ethic.
- J35Bacher

I'm guessing moody and inconsistent is just a nicer way of expressing it.

But if Doan is on the decline and has one year left...why would they trade for Vinny, who is on the decline, who has four years left?
- AllInForFlyers

They wouldn't

Being "The Guy" might. Don't you Wanna Be the Guy?
- Guile

I want to be the guy, but I don't want to be that guy.

I understand and Doan is a guy I would love to swap Vinnie for. Sadly, I don't think Phoenix would make the deal nor would Vinnie want to go out west.
- BiggE

Yeah, he's going about it backwards. The order of logic should be:

1) Where would Vinny waive to go to?
2) Out of those teams, which ones want/need Vinny?
3) Out of those teams (if any), do they have any bad contracts?
4) Out of those contracts, are there any that the Flyers would be willing to absorb?

It's probably harder than threading a needle now, especially with the budget teams that previously needed help at C already addressing their needs in UFA.

I'm guessing moody and inconsistent is just a nicer way of expressing it.

- BiggE

Maybe. But wasn't hartnell inconssitant. Same can be said about a lot of players. Schenn needs to work on consistency. Richards was always moody it seemed. Doesn't mean these guys don't work hard.

I want to be the guy, but I don't want to be that guy.
- BulliesPhan87

No no no, trust me, I Wanna Be the Guy too.

Am I making that horrid reference obvious enough yet?

Yeah, he's going about it backwards. The order of logic should be:

1) Where would Vinny waive to go to?
2) Out of those teams, which ones want Vinny?
3) Out of those teams (if any), do they have any bad contracts?
4) Out of those contracts, are there any that the Flyers would be willing to absorb?

It's probably harder than threading a needle now, especially with the budget teams that needed help at C already addressing their needs in UFA.
- Tomahawk

He'll be here until he either retires or the Flyers eat salary.

It doesn't appear to be any more complex than that.

Yeah, he's going about it backwards. The order of logic should be:

1) Where would Vinny waive to go to?
2) Out of those teams, which ones want/need Vinny?
3) Out of those teams (if any), do they have any bad contracts?
4) Out of those contracts, are there any that the Flyers would be willing to absorb?

It's probably harder than threading a needle now, especially with the budget teams that previously needed help at C already addressing their needs in UFA.
- Tomahawk

Yup, and that is why I think VL will still be here come October. Hopefully he has a good, healthy year, and perhaps gets moved next offseason.

Yeah, he's going about it backwards. The order of logic should be:

1) Where would Vinny waive to go to?
2) Out of those teams, which ones want Vinny?
3) Out of those teams (if any), do they have any bad contracts?
4) Out of those contracts, are there any that the Flyers would be willing to absorb?

It's probably harder than threading a needle now, especially with the budget teams that previously needed help at C already addressing their needs in UFA.
- Tomahawk

I don't think so.

What does Vinny really want? Top line ice time, Power play, market? He might have to adjust teams depending on his needs are. I am ok with Vinny but I just prefer to move him sooner then later. Also I think there are still teams that could use his size and the guy still scored 20 in limit roles. A team like Montreal could use his size in the middle.

Also all it takes is one injury. Look what happened in Nashville. Maybe it takes longer but if a team loses a center they could come calling. I still feel he will be moved before camp.

Maybe. But wasn't hartnell inconssitant. Same can be said about a lot of players. Schenn needs to work on consistency. Richards was always moody it seemed. Doesn't mean these guys don't work hard.
- J35Bacher

The "lazy" description has followed Semin for his entire NHL career. It wasn't created by the media, but IIRC, it came straight from Washington's management and coaching staff.
Now perhaps he's not that guy anymore, I don't claim to know, but I do know that I'm just not interested in taking on a 30 year old winger with 4 years to go at a cap hit of 7 million.

Yup, and that is why I think VL will still be here come October. Hopefully he has a good, healthy year, and perhaps gets moved next offseason.
- BiggE

I won't say never, but if his skating is still an issue and he posts the same kind of numbers this year...I don't think he will be easy to trade, even then.

If his skating is what it is and the injury didn't cause it...he will be here unless the Flyers buy him out, I feel

I won't say never, but if his skating is still an issue and he posts the same kind of numbers this year...I don't think he will be easy to trade, even then.

If his skating is what it is and the injury didn't cause it...he will be here unless the Flyers buy him out, I feel
- AllInForFlyers

Very possible

- -davies-

I'd like to see the line up balanced with the bjective of getting the most valuable players on the ice as much as possible.

Schenn Giroux Voracek
Read Couturier Simmonds
Umberger Vinny Akeson(spot up for grabs)
Bella Laughton Raffl (Besides Raffl, 2 spots up for grabs)
Rinaldo

Coburn-Streit
MacDonald-Schenn
Kimmo-Grossmann
- Baxter27

That Vinny line could be a nightmare defensively.

Later miscreants, I'm off to the gym!

The "lazy" description has followed Semin for his entire NHL career. It wasn't created by the media, but IIRC, it came straight from Washington's management and coaching staff.
Now perhaps he's not that guy anymore, I don't claim to know, but I do know that I'm just not interested in taking on a 30 year old winger with 4 years to go at a cap hit of 7 million.
- BiggE

If he had 1-2 years, that's one thing. But his contract is just as long as VL's, comes at a higher cap hit, his production hasn't been as good since he left Washington, and he's characterized as lazy and disinterested (fair or not). So no, I'd pass.

No no no, trust me, I Wanna Be the Guy too.

Am I making that horrid reference obvious enough yet?
- Guile

I don't think so. What is it, homestar runner or something?

If he had 1-2 years, that's one thing. But his contract is just as long as VL's, comes at a higher cap hit, his production hasn't been as good since he left Washington, and he's characterized as lazy and disinterested (fair or not). So no, I'd pass.
- jmatchett383

Then the best option might be to make a deal with Chicago for Hayes. Give a 3rd and maybe another late pick for Hayes rights. You can birng in a wing with size and skill on ELC. Make picks conditional on if he signs.

Then the best option might be to make a deal with Chicago for Hayes. Give a 3rd and maybe another late pick for Hayes rights. You can birng in a wing with size and skill on ELC. Make picks conditional on if he signs.
- J35Bacher

Why would Chicago do that?

Why would Chicago do that?
- jmatchett383

If they can't sign him they lose him for a compensatory pick. Maybe offer something where they get a little more.

And what's your reasoning? Why isn't skill enough? Hvae't we tried wingers with a lcak of skill long enough. He was a solid player until the concussion issues. Just put up a nice season in the swiss league with 24 goals and 22 assist. We lack skilled wingers.
- J35Bacher

My reasoning is that he has done nothing but regress since his rookie year. He doesn't excite me.

I don't think so. What is it, homestar runner or something?
- BulliesPhan87

I'll message ya it... rather not get odd looks here

If they can't sign him they lose him for a compensatory pick. Maybe offer something where they get a little more.
- J35Bacher

That pick is a 2nd rounder in next year's draft, which is being hailed as an insanely deep draft. So why would they rather get a 3rd round pick and later pick?

He's gonna get it. Just wait.
- jmatchett383

It's been 40 minutes and he hasn't gotten it yet