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vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 17 @ 11:11 AM ET
I just think Meuller has a better skill set to play in the top 6 then raffl. I would rather have Meuller say playing wing with Vinny and Simmonds.]


Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Meuller - Vinny - Simmonds

- J35Bacher

he did not impress me with the Panthers
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
It's been 40 minutes and he hasn't gotten it yet
- Streit2ThePoint


You need to wait.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Jul 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
That Vinny line could be a nightmare defensively.
- MBFlyerfan


I don't think it would be any worse then Schenn-Vinny-Simmonds last season.

It wouldn't be a line I put in tough situations and every attempt would be made to shelter them. However, Umberger can handle himself defensively and Akeson would need to prove he can produce offense while playing responsibleor be replaced on that line by someone like Raffl.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
That pick is a 2nd rounder in next year's draft, which is being hailed as an insanely deep draft. So why would they rather get a 3rd round pick and later pick?
- jmatchett383


Yeah, supposedly near as deep as 2003... guys that went in the 2nd that year: Bergeron, Weber, Carle, L. Eriksson, Backes, Klein, Howard, Crawford.

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
he did not impress me with the Panthers
- vejim


Who did, besides Huberdeau?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
Just to let you know but any FA still out there have warts. Unless we are getting a wing back in some trade any player looked at in FA right now isn't perfect or has something to question. Still he is young enough to take the chance on and as JMatchett said if he isn't playing in the top 6 then I wouldn't sign him.
- J35Bacher



Do you think that I'm not aware of that? I'd rather stick with what they have.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:13 AM ET
Yeah, supposedly near as deep as 2003... guys that went in the 2nd that year: Bergeron, Weber, Carle, L. Eriksson, Backes, Klein, Howard, Crawford.


- Tomahawk

Exactly. If you want to get his rights, it's going to need to be a few 3rd+ picks and/or roster players and/or prospects.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 17 @ 11:14 AM ET

- aightwebang17

Schenn on D
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:16 AM ET
Schenn on D
- vejim


Didn't think he was that agile or could turn that fast. But, if you insist...
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jul 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
Do you think that I'm not aware of that? I'd rather stick with what they have.
- MJL



oK. I just don't think they are good enouugh with what is currently there so taking a 1 year flier wouldn't hurt. Worst case is he is mediocore and you move on. Bst case is he plays well and gives you another option next year.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:21 AM ET
Yeah, supposedly near as deep as 2003... guys that went in the 2nd that year: Bergeron, Weber, Carle, L. Eriksson, Backes, Klein, Howard, Crawford.


- Tomahawk


Your boy Chris butler scored only a two way contract. Was that a steal?
High_and_wide
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: and the refs say that's ok!, PA
Joined: 07.03.2014

Jul 17 @ 11:21 AM ET
I don't see anything saying poor work ethic.
- J35Bacher


its a scouting report on a Russian player. Its implied! You only take note when is says, "suprisingly enough, has a strong work ethic."
wtfd103074
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: turnersville, NJ
Joined: 02.20.2012

Jul 17 @ 11:23 AM ET
What about trying G out on a wing? Wasn't he drafted as a wing and played wing internationally? With the others having so much difficulty making the switch, why not. BSchenn and VL stay at center where they are comfortable.

G-VL-Jake
Read-Schenn-Simmonds
RJ-Coots-Raffl
Bell-Laughton-Akeson

i've seen a lot of people splitting G and Jake up but that combo on the ice is pretty nasty together. G seems to have the most chemistry with Jake.

Just a thought, You may all bash away
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:23 AM ET
Your boy Chris butler scored only a two way contract. Was that a steal?
- Just5


What does that have to do with the depth of the 2003 NHL draft's second round?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:24 AM ET
What about trying G out on a wing? Wasn't he drafted as a wing and played wing internationally? With the others having so much difficulty making the switch, why not. BSchenn and VL stay at center where they are comfortable.

G-VL-Jake
Read-Schenn-Simmonds
RJ-Coots-Raffl
Bell-Laughton-Akeson

i've seen a lot of people splitting G and Jake up but that combo on the ice is pretty nasty together. G seems to have the most chemistry with Jake.

Just a thought, You may all bash away

- wtfd103074


No no no. No. He's our best center and just no.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 17 @ 11:24 AM ET
Exactly. If you want to get his rights, it's going to need to be a few 3rd+ picks and/or roster players and/or prospects.
- jmatchett383


Yeah, it would be tough for the Flyers to cobble together some package of picks that would be worth more than #54 in 2015.

Not sure the Hawks could really assume much salary in any deal, either.

Best bet may be prospect for prospect... like Laughton for Hayes, or Hagg for Hayes, something like that.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 17 @ 11:26 AM ET
What about trying G out on a wing? Wasn't he drafted as a wing and played wing internationally? With the others having so much difficulty making the switch, why not. BSchenn and VL stay at center where they are comfortable.

G-VL-Jake
Read-Schenn-Simmonds
RJ-Coots-Raffl
Bell-Laughton-Akeson

i've seen a lot of people splitting G and Jake up but that combo on the ice is pretty nasty together. G seems to have the most chemistry with Jake.

Just a thought, You may all bash away

- wtfd103074

dont think V could keep up with G OR J
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 17 @ 11:27 AM ET
Yeah, it would be tough for the Flyers to cobble together some package of picks that would be worth more than #54 in 2015.

Not sure the Hawks could really assume much salary in any deal, either.

Best bet may be prospect for prospect... like Laughton for Hayes, or Hagg for Hayes, something like that.

- Tomahawk

I think the Hawks are just fine with that comp pick
Sms401
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kenmore , NY
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jul 17 @ 11:29 AM ET
Before I even read blog I must say fuuuuuuuuukkkkkk jr! Really??? Mason isn't the goalie to win a cup? Did he even watch a game this year? Mason is a top 10 goalie in the league. Come on neimi won a cup. Mason better than neimi. Lost tons of respect for jr with this bs!!!!
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 17 @ 11:31 AM ET
No no no. No. He's our best center and just no.
- jmatchett383

G is the only center with speed
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 17 @ 11:33 AM ET
What about trying G out on a wing? Wasn't he drafted as a wing and played wing internationally? With the others having so much difficulty making the switch, why not. BSchenn and VL stay at center where they are comfortable.

G-VL-Jake
Read-Schenn-Simmonds
RJ-Coots-Raffl
Bell-Laughton-Akeson

i've seen a lot of people splitting G and Jake up but that combo on the ice is pretty nasty together. G seems to have the most chemistry with Jake.

Just a thought, You may all bash away

- wtfd103074

I'm not opposed to moving G to the wing but it has to be one hell of a Center coming in to take over. Vinny is not that guy.
wtfd103074
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: turnersville, NJ
Joined: 02.20.2012

Jul 17 @ 11:41 AM ET
No no no. No. He's our best center and just no.
- jmatchett383



Agreed he is. Just thinking of ways to get the most out guys like VL and Bchenn as neither appear to be going anywhere. G will put up points no matter where he plays.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 17 @ 11:42 AM ET
Agreed he is. Just thinking of ways to get the most out guys like VL and Bchenn as neither appear to be going anywhere. G will put up points no matter where he plays.
- wtfd103074


VL can stay at the #2C spot. Schenn produced similarly at wing or C, so I'd be comfortable moving him to the top LW spot. Just my take.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Jul 17 @ 11:44 AM ET
Agreed he is. Just thinking of ways to get the most out guys like VL and Bchenn as neither appear to be going anywhere. G will put up points no matter where he plays.
- wtfd103074



I believe that B Schenn is only going to get better and VL is only going to get worse. Personally, I would leave VL on the 4th line unless his play warrants a promotion up the depth chart.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Jul 17 @ 11:47 AM ET
Heck no. Kane is not some budding superstar player. He's a very good LW. I'd rather move B Schenn to Giroux's wing and probably get similar production.
- jmatchett383


I don't think Kane is going to be a super star either, but people (not saying you) do seem to forget that Kane and B Schenn are the same age. Kane has a 30 goal season under his belt (albeit many more NHL games than Schenn). I think Kane has the potential to hit 40 goals if he plays with the right center.

Bottom line is what you already said. Asking price is just too high at this point.
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