He did
- KINGKENZO

During his first two seasons he did. After that he was alright or good but nothing near what he was those first two seasons, especially his rookie year. Renberg definitely benefited from being apart ofthe Legion of Doom. No question.

During his first two seasons he did. After that he was alright or good but nothing near what he was those first two seasons, especially his rookie year. Renberg definitely benefited from being apart ofthe Legion of Doom. No question.
- SuperSchennBros

Bullpoop, he only declined when injuries took his legs away. You want argue semantics around perceived benefit when the reality is playing with a talent like Lindros will "benefit" anybody who plays with him.

Bullpoop, he only declined when injuries took his legs away. You want argue semantics around perceived benefit when the reality is playing with a talent like Lindros will "benefit" anybody who plays with him.
- KINGKENZO

If you took the time to go back and read, you'd know how and where this discussion started. I'm not gonna talk about what may or may not have happened. I'm talking about what did happen. John LeClair (the original topic) did not just benefit from playing with Lindros, LeClair was already a very good player in his own right who held up. Sadly Renberg did not.

I disagree. Eric Lindros was often out with injuries and LeClair still managed to produce. Even after Lindros sat out for a season or moved on. It really wasn't until LeClair missed most of one season with a serious back injury where he was never the same. He never skipped a beat with that accurate wrister and deadly slap shot but the speed was lost after he hurt his back. Not that he was a speedy guy to begin with.quote=SuperSchennBros]If you took the time to go back and read, you'd know how and where this discussion started. I'm not gonna talk about what may or may not have happened. I'm talking about what did happen. John LeClair (the original topic) did not just benefit from playing with Lindros, LeClair was already a very good player in his own right who held up. Sadly Renberg did not.

Really, jerkoff, because this is what i read. Another poster basically said Leclair is only a product of playing with Lindros. That was your response and I agree with it.

I responded to you lumping Renberg in with Zubrus and Jones. Renbergs talents dictated he play there just as Leclaire did. The only difference is Renberg suffered his injuries earlier in his career than Leclaire so he didnt have the longevity of top caliber production that JohnnyvVermont had. Longevity is not the issue, Renberg( my point) did not just benefit from playing with Lindros. Renberg was a very good player in his own right. Period. End of story.

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- flyer_nutter

Don't worry. You got family in high places

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- flyer_nutter

unleash the peanuts.

Renberg was a very, very good player. Did he perform better because he played with Lindros? Absolutely. But to lump him in with the masses like Jones and Zubrus (and for a short time, Mike Maneluk) is just wrong. Had Renberg not been injured, he likely would have had a very productive career post-Lindros. Sadly, once his back issues happened early on, he was never the same player. Remember, he did come in 3rd place in Calder voting in his rookie year (that was the year prior to the LeClair trade). Some of that was Lindros, but it's not like he simply repeated Brent Fedyk's numbers, whose place he took in the 93/94 season.

Renberg was a very, very good player. Did he perform better because he played with Lindros? Absolutely. But to lump him in with the masses like Jones and Zubrus (and for a short time, Mike Maneluk) is just wrong. Had Renberg not been injured, he likely would have had a very productive career post-Lindros. Sadly, once his back issues happened early on, he was never the same player. Remember, he did come in 3rd place in Calder voting in his rookie year. Some of that was Lindros, but it's not like he simplt repeated Brent Fedyk's numbers (that was the year prior to the LeClair trade).
- jmatchett383

exactly. Renbergs best statistical year was his rookie year.....he played with BrindAmour

Renberg was a very, very good player. Did he perform better because he played with Lindros? Absolutely. But to lump him in with the masses like Jones and Zubrus (and for a short time, Mike Maneluk) is just wrong. Had Renberg not been injured, he likely would have had a very productive career post-Lindros. Sadly, once his back issues happened early on, he was never the same player. Remember, he did come in 3rd place in Calder voting in his rookie year. Some of that was Lindros, but it's not like he simplt repeated Brent Fedyk's numbers (that was the year prior to the LeClair trade).
- jmatchett383

Suffered from Flyeritis. Something about the Orange and Black colors just cause serious injury.

Really, jerkoff, because this is what i read. Another poster basically said Leclair is only a product of playing with Lindros. That was your response and I agree with it.

I responded to you lumping Renberg in with Zubrus and Jones. Renbergs talents dictated he play there just as Leclaire did. The only difference is Renberg suffered his injuries earlier in his career than Leclaire so he didnt have the longevity of top caliber production that JohnnyvVermont had. Longevity is not the issue, Renberg( my point) did not just benefit from playing with Lindros. Renberg was a very good player in his own right. Period. End of story.



- KINGKENZO

Well I one hundred and ten percent disagree with you because Lindros and LeClair both had injuries of their own and still managed. It wasn't until the late stages of their careers when they began to slow down. I'm not gonna play make belief and wonder what could have happened, I'm saying what did. Renberg still went on to play else where and even had a second chance here. Nothing doing. I believe he left the league and came back. Nothing doing.

It is what it is. End of story.

Michael Renberg was a benefited from playing with Lindros and LeClair. Dainius Zubrus was a benefited from playing with Lindros and LeClair. Keith Jones benefited from playing with Lindros and LeClair. John LeClair wasn't a sexy name with Montreal but I feel he was an underrated contributor to that 93 Cup. John LeClair was also a very good United States Olympian. I think it's unfair to take from LeClair and give to Lindros. The same some take from Gagne and give to Forsberg. Forsberg only played here 100 games during two seasons. Gagne was always a good player as a Philadelphia Flyer. Forsberg certainly helped but Forsberg didn't make Gagne.
- SuperSchennBros

One thing: Pre-hernia issues, Renberg produced at the same rate regardless of his linemates. Lindros had two prolonged absences in Renberg's rookie year (Recchi was on RW, Renberg on LW) and Renberg's PPG average was just about identical. Ditto in Nov 1995 when Lindros missed time after a bad hit by Jason Woolley.

Well I one hundred and ten percent disagree with you because Lindros and LeClair both had injuries of their own and still managed. It wasn't until the late stages of their careers when they began to slow down. I'm not gonna play make belief and wonder what could have happened, I'm saying what did. Renberg still went on to play else where and even had a second chance here. Nothing doing. I believe he left the league and came back. Nothing doing.

It is what it is. End of story.
- SuperSchennBros

You came?

Renberg was a very, very good player. Did he perform better because he played with Lindros? Absolutely. But to lump him in with the masses like Jones and Zubrus (and for a short time, Mike Maneluk) is just wrong. Had Renberg not been injured, he likely would have had a very productive career post-Lindros. Sadly, once his back issues happened early on, he was never the same player. Remember, he did come in 3rd place in Calder voting in his rookie year (that was the year prior to the LeClair trade). Some of that was Lindros, but it's not like he simply repeated Brent Fedyk's numbers, whose place he took in the 93/94 season.
- jmatchett383

he also had serious abdominal injury(ies) iirc, which robbed him of his skating and speed.

If this were true, he would have. He was a good player but not on the same level as Lindros and LeClair.
- SuperSchennBros

Are you aware of Renberg's injury history? The sports hernia hr had was one of the most severe on record (he never fully recovered his former skating explosiveness ) and he later had a series of major injuries in succession. Prior to that, he was easily the Flyers best two-way winger.

he also had serious abdominal injury(ies) iirc, which robbed him of his skating and speed.
- hammarby31

Not to mention having his bicep sliced by a motor boat propeller, and nearly having to have a hand amputated after a freak infection.

One thing: Pre-hernia issues, Renberg produced at the same rate regardless of his linemates. Lindros had two prolonged absences in Renberg's rookie year (Recchi was on RW, Renberg on LW) and Renberg's PPG average was just about identical. Ditto in Nov 1995 when Lindros missed time after a bad hit by Jason Woolley.
- bmeltzer

Did Renberg go on to have the same career as Lindros and LeClair in and out of a Flyers uniform?

I did purposely leave out one name that played with Lindros and LeClair for a long period of time. Mark Recchi. I wouldn't exactly call Recch a slouch.

Well I one hundred and ten percent disagree with you because Lindros and LeClair both had injuries of their own and still managed. It wasn't until the late stages of their careers when they began to slow down. I'm not gonna play make belief and wonder what could have happened, I'm saying what did. Renberg still went on to play else where and even had a second chance ere. Nothing doing. I believe he left the league and came back. Nothing doing.

It is what it is. End of story.
- SuperSchennBros

Ok buddy, no sense in continuing if you discount the effects of Renbergs dehabilitating injury happening EARLIER in his career then those two; it happened earlier so it doesnt hold the same weight. So be it. I usual am hesitant to respond to you, ill go back to that policy so I can read you female dog and whine when nobody wants engage you.

Not to mention having his bicep sliced by a motor boat propeller, and nearly having to have a hand amputated after a freak infection.
- bmeltzer

Damn, I forgot about that

Ok buddy, no sense in continuing if you discount the effects of Renbergs dehabilitating injury happening EARLIER in his career then those two; it happened earlier so it doesnt hold the same weight. So be it. I usual am hesitant to respond to you, ill go back to that policy so I can read you female dog and whine when nobody wants engage you.
- KINGKENZO

Touchy touchy. I never even noticed you until today.

Not to mention having his bicep sliced by a motor boat propeller, and nearly having to have a hand amputated after a freak infection.
- bmeltzer

jfc. It's like Final Destination: Renberg

Are you aware of Renberg's injury history? The sports hernia hr had was one of the most severe on record (he never fully recovered his former skating explosiveness ) and he later had a series of major injuries in succession. Prior to that, he was easily the Flyers best two-way winger.
- bmeltzer

No I wasn't aware of this.

Did Renberg go on to have the same career as Lindros and LeClair in and out of a Flyers uniform?

I did purposely leave out one name that played with Lindros and LeClair for a long period of time. Mark Recchi. I wouldn't exactly call Recch a slouch.
- SuperSchennBros

No, he didn't. But it was because of injury. Remember LeClair after the back surgery? he was half the player he used to be. Same thing happen with Renberg after his abdominal muscles suffered a complete tear -- the product of rushing back too soon from a preseason hernia that was not a serious- but it unfortunately happened at a younger age. he was never really the same player again.

Touchy touchy. I never even noticed you until today.
- SuperSchennBros

Im a Ninja

No I wasn't aware of this.
- SuperSchennBros