Wow, those numbers are right in line with what Zherdev put up on a terrible 07/08 Columbus team. What an acquisition!!!
- jmatchett383

You can argue the term of the contract isn't great, trying to make a case that Cammalleri won't improve the Devils and then comparing him to Zherdev is kind of silly.

I hate to say it, but I think the Devils are going to be pretty good. They don't have to worry about playing a sub-par Brodeur anymore, Jagr showed no signs of slowing down. His season with the Devils last year was superior to his season with the Flyers. They added M-Cam to boost the offense. NJD finished 5 points out of a playoff spot last year, they went 0-12 in shootouts. I highly doubt that trend continues.
- PLindbergh31

Possibly, but it's just as likely that, at age 42, Jagr has a recurrence of groin problems or other issues and regresses. M-Cam is a nice addition but they still lack offense, as Elias is also another year older. I'm also not sold on their goaltending and D as well.

Are you sold on Mason?
- Tomahawk

Sold enough for him to a solid goalie, yes. Sold as a guy who's going to resurrect a team and step in for a HOFer, no.

Possibly, but it's just as likely that, at age 42, Jagr has a recurrence of groin problems or other issues and regresses. M-Cam is a nice addition but they still lack offense, as Elias is also another year older. I'm also not sold on their goaltending and D as well.
- BiggE

Their defense is a big concern, but they should be a better team than last year's model, and I'm more sold on Schneider than running Broduer out for 30 games again

my mistake, I thought you were throwing Zherdev out there in regards to Schneider

that said, you sure do refer to Zherdev a lot
- BulliesPhan87

Well, he's the perfect example of a guy who, while he can put up points, is not necessarily a good player to acquire to improve your team.

Difference is, Cammalleri has also put up good numbers in the playoffs and for playoff teams. I'm not saying he's great, but he's still a pretty good player.
- Jsaquella

We're just gonna disagree. I see him as a 2009-era Scott Gomez, or another Jokinen/Hemsky, guys who put up points but who don't necessarily help you win despite their numbers.

Sold enough for him to a solid goalie, yes. Sold as a guy who's going to resurrect a team and step in for a HOFer, no.
- jmatchett383

I guess I'm not sure how you could see Bernier and Schneider's track records as being any more suspect than Mason's.

All three are super-talented dudes with a new lease on life... albeit through starkly different circumstances.

We're just gonna disagree. I see him as a 2009-era Scott Gomez, or another Jokinen/Hemsky, guys who put up points but who don't necessarily help you win despite their numbers.
- jmatchett383

It's cool. I think he'll help them, just because they lost a lot of 1 goal games.

We're just gonna disagree. I see him as a 2009-era Scott Gomez, or another Jokinen/Hemsky, guys who put up points but who don't necessarily help you win despite their numbers.
- jmatchett383

He's actually kind of clutch. 1/3 of his 26G last season were GW'ers. He had 13G in 19games for the Habs in the PO's in '10... 3 were GW'ers.

Their defense is a big concern, but they should be a better team than last year's model, and I'm more sold on Schneider than running Broduer out for 30 games again
- Jsaquella

I'd prob take nj defense over ours

I guess I'm not sure how you could see Bernier and Schneider's track records as being any more suspect than Mason's.

All three are super-talented dudes with a new lease on life... albeit through starkly different circumstances.
- Tomahawk

Let me put it this way: Mason has played very well for us for a little over a season. I expect him to continue to play well given his recent success. Would I expect him to turn either Toronto into playoff teams/contenders simply by replacing what they had? No.

He's actually kind of clutch. 1/3 of his 26G last season were GW'ers. He had 13G in 19games for the Habs in the PO's in '10... 3 were GW'ers.
- Tomahawk

He sure was a huge difference maker in the ECF in 10. Good thing they had a guy like him to produce when the stakes got high.

I'd prob take nj defense over ours
- Just5

I would like Greene, Larsson & Merrill over MacDonald, Grossmann & Schultz

We're just gonna disagree. I see him as a 2009-era Scott Gomez, or another Jokinen/Hemsky, guys who put up points but who don't necessarily help you win despite their numbers.
- jmatchett383

Jeff Carter and Marian Gaborik had been similarly characterized prior to the Kings snagging them, look how that worked out

(yes I shamelessly stole this point from Ryan Wilson)

He sure was a huge difference maker in the ECF in 10. Good thing they had a guy like him to produce when the stakes got high.
- jmatchett383

Using that criteria, I guess Eric Lindros couldn't produce in the clutch because he scored 1 goal in the 1997 SCF

So you're saying that Luongo should have been awful from the get-go in Vancouver since he came there from Florida?
- jmatchett383

i wasn't saying anything other than he won't be in a hostile environment when finally having a chance to prove himself as a starter. that should only help him, i think.

he's a very good, young goalie. i don't have any clue whether he'll sink or swim now.

Using that criteria, I guess Eric Lindros couldn't produce in the clutch because he scored 1 goal in the 1997 SCF
- Jsaquella

Lindros = Gomez

Using that criteria, I guess Eric Lindros couldn't produce in the clutch because he scored 1 goal in the 1997 SCF
- Jsaquella

Yet he tore it up in the ECF, basically winning that series with the team on his back. But sure, he was never clutch when it mattered at all.

Lindros = Gomez
- Tomahawk

Well, Lindros is taller

Let me put it this way: Mason has played very well for us for a little over a season. I expect him to continue to play well given his recent success. Would I expect him to turn either Toronto into playoff teams/contenders simply by replacing what they had? No.
- jmatchett383

What if Mason played 20-fewer games this season, and those starts went to Emery (who's .903 is close to Marty's .905)? Do we still make the PO's? Doubt it.

Well, Lindros is taller
- Jsaquella

So? Gomez is more Mexican.

What if Mason played 20-fewer games this season, and those starts went to Emery (who's .903 is close to Marty's .905)? Do we still make the PO's? Doubt it.
- Tomahawk

Probably not. But Mason did, proving he was able to shoulder the workload as a full season as the #1. Let's see if Bernier and/or Schneider can put up those same numbers over 60+ games.

So? Gomez is more Mexican.
- Tomahawk

Maybe so, but Iginla tore up the Mexico Cup.

Yet he tore it up in the ECF, basically winning that series with the team on his back. But sure, he was never clutch when it mattered at all.
- jmatchett383

And Cammalleri was the Habs best offensive player before the 2010 ECF, leading them in scoring.

All I'm saying is, Cammalleri has produced in important spots before. He's a PPG player in the playoffs and has been a key member of playoff teams in the past. He was stuck on a bad team in Calgary the past few seasons, but he's put up points when it mattered.

So? Gomez is more Mexican.
- Tomahawk

True.