Maybe. Seguin and Benn isn't exactly slumming it tho.
- Jeropotato

oh, wasn't implying that at all, but he did say he loved playing with spezza, and he signed in dallas about 2 hours after spezza was traded there.

oh, wasn't implying that at all, but he did say he loved playing with spezza, and he signed in dallas about 2 hours after spezza was traded there.
- sensarmy_11

Yeah...pretty sure he would have resigned with the Sens if Spezza was staying.

Yeah...pretty sure he would have resigned with the Sens if Spezza was staying.
- Jeropotato

i have no doubt.....especially when you consider the deal he signed in dallas wasn't much better than the "incredible lowball offer" he got from ottawa

So Murray is still talking about acquiring another forward to improve our ranks, and we can't even figure out how to slot half the guys we have....

I honestly can't imagine Lazar cracking the team this year, especially when the team isn't going to compete for a cup anyway. Better off sending him back for another mem cup run, then a year in the AHL, before he makes the jump.

Personally, I hope Murray manages to unload two of Greening, Neil, Phillips, or Borowiecki in deals. Clear some space up.

So Murray is still talking about acquiring another forward to improve our ranks, and we can't even figure out how to slot half the guys we have....

I honestly can't imagine Lazar cracking the team this year, especially when the team isn't going to compete for a cup anyway. Better off sending him back for another mem cup run, then a year in the AHL, before he makes the jump.

Personally, I hope Murray manages to unload two of Greening, Neil, Phillips, or Borowiecki in deals. Clear some space up.
- TommyDeVito

dorion was actually quoted in the citizen today as saying that they're probably done with moves.....for whatever that's worth

dorion was actually quoted in the citizen today as saying that they're probably done with moves.....for whatever that's worth
- sensarmy_11

Are you serious? That is bad news. Listen this team isn't a top 10 team, but they can most definitely make the Playoffs with some right moves (even if Eugene doesn't spend money). Too bad management is blind as a bat, if what you're saying is credible. I hope it isn't. I expected to see Lazar on this team, hoped for Puempel, but it looks like the likelihood of that happening is very very slim.

So Murray is still talking about acquiring another forward to improve our ranks, and we can't even figure out how to slot half the guys we have....

I honestly can't imagine Lazar cracking the team this year, especially when the team isn't going to compete for a cup anyway. Better off sending him back for another mem cup run, then a year in the AHL, before he makes the jump.

Personally, I hope Murray manages to unload two of Greening, Neil, Phillips, or Borowiecki in deals. Clear some space up.
- TommyDeVito

Murray is going through a tough time and I don't blame him for the incompetent assistants that he has. Dorion and Lee are senile if they can't see some of the plugs on this team. The four names you mentioned need to be traded ASAP for picks, anything for what it's worth. I want to see rookies on our 3rd/4th line, not some pylons who don't have the physical or mental attributes to play hockey anymore.

Murray is going through a tough time and I don't blame him for the incompetent assistants that he has. Dorion and Lee are senile if they can't see some of the plugs on this team. The four names you mentioned need to be traded ASAP for picks, anything for what it's worth. I want to see rookies on our 3rd/4th line, not some pylons who don't have the physical or mental attributes to play hockey anymore.
- TheCalSen

Wouldn't trading all those guys put the Sens under the cap floor?

Wouldn't trading all those guys put the Sens under the cap floor?
- dcz28

I'm not going to go into the specifics but trading a few scraps for say Johnny Oduya sounds good for both Chicago and Ottawa cap wise. That's just one example out of many.

I'm not going to go into the specifics but trading a few scraps for say Johnny Oduya sounds good for both Chicago and Ottawa cap wise. That's just one example out of many.
- TheCalSen

this is laughable

I'm not going to go into the specifics but trading a few scraps for say Johnny Oduya sounds good for both Chicago and Ottawa cap wise. That's just one example out of many.
- TheCalSen

Aside from Boro, this wouldn't do much for the Hawks cap problems.

this is laughable
- mitchapalooza19

You know what's laughable Brian Gionta for 3Y/12.75M
Greening+Boro for Oduya is more that reasonable, ask any Hawks fans.

You know what's laughable Brian Gionta for 3Y/12.75M
Greening+Boro for Oduya is more that reasonable, ask any Hawks fans.
- TheCalSen

It doesn't fix the Hawks cap problems so why would they make that move.

It doesn't fix the Hawks cap problems so why would they make that move.
- dcz28

Hawks are high on Greening for some reason. It doesn't necessarily help their cap problem but it also doesn't make it worse. 2 for 1 sort of deal. Just an example though.

Hawks are high on Greening for some reason. It doesn't necessarily help their cap problem but it also doesn't make it worse. 2 for 1 sort of deal. Just an example though.
- TheCalSen

way to be so defensive about your terrible claim. You stated if would benefit both team "cap wise" earlier then just contradicted that saying it dosent make it worse or help it. LMAO I perfectly happy with sabres moves so keep in touch with yourself

"Bryan Murray and their staff did a real good job. People are going to be very surprised by some of the players they got.”

That's nice to hear. Probably referring to Paul and Guptil, who are both still at least a year away. Will be interesting to see how they progress.

I like the roster as it is right now, but believe we could do a deal with a cap overage team to do a qual-quan trade. I think a mix of prospects and an NHL forward could get us a d man out of chicago, like leddy.

I think that this could work, give us one of the most potential-ridden centre corps in the league and have a great depth at d, plus it relieves the hawk's cap situation after this season, when the cap pressure really turns up.
To OTT: Andrew Shaw, Nick Leddy - $4.7 mil
To CHI: Smith, Matt Puempel, Boro, DAL 2nd - $2.5 mil

Hawks make it under the cap by 800k

Suddenly, the roster looks reasonably competitive, and cheap!

Mac-Turris-Ryan/Chiasson (1)
Michalek-Legwand-Ryan/Chiasson (2a)
Hoff-Zib-Stone (2b)
Condra-Shaw-Greening/Neil/Lazar (4)

EK-Meth
Gryba-Leddy
Cowen-Weircioch
Phillips
*Ceci goes to AHL as 1st call up

Andy
Lehner

Total cap hit:$58.6 million

If we can flip Greening for a 3rd or something we sit pretty at 56 million and with a decently competitive roster with tons of decent replacement level players in Bingo.

His numbers had more to do (with Detroit anyways) with coming in and playing with a red hot duo of Franzen and Nyquist. After a couple of games both Nyquist and Franzen got cold and lines got mixed up and Legwand didn't produce much after that...to the point where he ended up being a 4th line winger in the playoffs centered by Glendening who couldn't win faceoffs. I didn't see the speed you keep talking about with him or the good defensive center. Aside from the first few games, he just didn't add much in any aspects for the Wings other than being a band aid to try and make the playoffs while 4 or 5 centers were injured at the time of the trade.

The main thing that pissed fans off about Legwand isn't even really about him but about what they gave up for him. Jarnkrok ended up with 9 points in 12 games with the Preds after the trade...almost as many as Legwand in almost half the games. Wings center depth with top 6 potential was already razor thin before the trade and Legwand had no future with the Wings. Wings ended up drafting 5 or 6 centers this summer and signing Nosek to make up for losing Jarnkrok and to add some depth at that position in the system. Plus there is also the fact Jarnkrok wasn't even given a chance to play a game for the Wings with all the injuries down the middle.

You add all those things up and I think you can see why fans weren't overly happy with Legwand even if some of it had nothing to do with him. Feels like Holland wasted assets for a band aid when he could have used those assets in a package for something they still need like a power forward or more importantly the right handed puck moving defenseman they lacked since Rafalski retired.
- dcz28

Thanks. Great info. It makes a lot of sense.

"Bryan Murray and their staff did a real good job. People are going to be very surprised by some of the players they got.”

That's nice to hear. Probably referring to Paul and Guptil, who are both still at least a year away. Will be interesting to see how they progress.

I like the roster as it is right now, but believe we could do a deal with a cap overage team to do a qual-quan trade. I think a mix of prospects and an NHL forward could get us a d man out of chicago, like leddy.

I think that this could work, give us one of the most potential-ridden centre corps in the league and have a great depth at d, plus it relieves the hawk's cap situation after this season, when the cap pressure really turns up.
To OTT: Andrew Shaw, Nick Leddy - $4.7 mil
To CHI: Smith, Matt Puempel, Boro, DAL 2nd - $2.5 mil

Hawks make it under the cap by 800k

Suddenly, the roster looks reasonably competitive, and cheap!

Mac-Turris-Ryan/Chiasson (1)
Michalek-Legwand-Ryan/Chiasson (2a)
Hoff-Zib-Stone (2b)
Condra-Shaw-Greening/Neil/Lazar (4)

EK-Meth
Gryba-Leddy
Cowen-Weircioch
Phillips
*Ceci goes to AHL as 1st call up

Andy
Lehner

Total cap hit:$58.6 million

If we can flip Greening for a 3rd or something we sit pretty at 56 million and with a decently competitive roster with tons of decent replacement level players in Bingo.
- ahjnkn

i like the though process, but i don't think chicago makes that deal. those are two of their best young players, don't think they'll give them up for a bottom six forward, AHL d-man, prospect, and "ok" pick. sens would need to offer a better package then that, IMO.

His numbers had more to do (with Detroit anyways) with coming in and playing with a red hot duo of Franzen and Nyquist. After a couple of games both Nyquist and Franzen got cold and lines got mixed up and Legwand didn't produce much after that...to the point where he ended up being a 4th line winger in the playoffs centered by Glendening who couldn't win faceoffs. I didn't see the speed you keep talking about with him or the good defensive center. Aside from the first few games, he just didn't add much in any aspects for the Wings other than being a band aid to try and make the playoffs while 4 or 5 centers were injured at the time of the trade.

The main thing that pissed fans off about Legwand isn't even really about him but about what they gave up for him. Jarnkrok ended up with 9 points in 12 games with the Preds after the trade...almost as many as Legwand in almost half the games. Wings center depth with top 6 potential was already razor thin before the trade and Legwand had no future with the Wings. Wings ended up drafting 5 or 6 centers this summer and signing Nosek to make up for losing Jarnkrok and to add some depth at that position in the system. Plus there is also the fact Jarnkrok wasn't even given a chance to play a game for the Wings with all the injuries down the middle.

You add all those things up and I think you can see why fans weren't overly happy with Legwand even if some of it had nothing to do with him. Feels like Holland wasted assets for a band aid when he could have used those assets in a package for something they still need like a power forward or more importantly the right handed puck moving defenseman they lacked since Rafalski retired.
- dcz28

Don't worry the devils have a knack for drafting and bringing in guys who want to go home lol Greene might be on his way after this season I am just joking of course and he has never indicates that as far as I know

So Murray is still talking about acquiring another forward to improve our ranks, and we can't even figure out how to slot half the guys we have....

I honestly can't imagine Lazar cracking the team this year, especially when the team isn't going to compete for a cup anyway. Better off sending him back for another mem cup run, then a year in the AHL, before he makes the jump.

Personally, I hope Murray manages to unload two of Greening, Neil, Phillips, or Borowiecki in deals. Clear some space up.
- TommyDeVito

Condra will be in that list soon if he doesnt start hitting some nets

Condra will be in that list soon if he doesnt start hitting some nets

- top shelf 15

i'll never understand the criticism of condra, based on teh fact that he doens't score more. he's a 7th rd pick, who plays on the 4th line and on the PK, and is one of the better defensive forwards in the league. he's paid 1.2mil, are people SERIOUSLY expecting him to put up 15 goals?

6 goals, 16 pts, and EXCETIONAL defensive play, for 1.2 mil, is a friggin bargain if you ask me.

condra is BY FAR the most underrated player on this team.....by some people

i'll never understand the criticism of condra, based on teh fact that he doens't score more. he's a 7th rd pick, who plays on the 4th line and on the PK, and is one of the better defensive forwards in the league. he's paid 1.2mil, are people SERIOUSLY expecting him to put up 15 goals?

6 goals, 16 pts, and EXCETIONAL defensive play, for 1.2 mil, is a friggin bargain if you ask me.

condra is BY FAR the most underrated player on this team.....by some people
- sensarmy_11

Yeah, I don't need Condra to score at all, just need him to keep hounding the other team for the puck like he does. If we can dump the clowns, and keep a 4th line of say Grant-Smith-Condra, that would be a great shutdown line that is hard on the puck.

Would let us reserve the top 3 lines for guys who can score, and let the best 9 men win the jobs.

Yeah, I don't need Condra to score at all, just need him to keep hounding the other team for the puck like he does. If we can dump the clowns, and keep a 4th line of say Grant-Smith-Condra, that would be a great shutdown line that is hard on the puck.

Would let us reserve the top 3 lines for guys who can score, and let the best 9 men win the jobs.
- TommyDeVito

i'll never understand the criticism of condra, based on teh fact that he doens't score more. he's a 7th rd pick, who plays on the 4th line and on the PK, and is one of the better defensive forwards in the league. he's paid 1.2mil, are people SERIOUSLY expecting him to put up 15 goals?

6 goals, 16 pts, and EXCETIONAL defensive play, for 1.2 mil, is a friggin bargain if you ask me.

condra is BY FAR the most underrated player on this team.....by some people
- sensarmy_11

You are right in every aspect of your post. However, due to the fact that Condra is good defensively and creates decent possession time, he ends up getting a lot of offensive chances which he then flubs. That is where I think the frustration comes up. If he doesn't get those chances, I don't think anyone says squat about the guy.

Yeah, I don't need Condra to score at all, just need him to keep hounding the other team for the puck like he does. If we can dump the clowns, and keep a 4th line of say Grant-Smith-Condra, that would be a great shutdown line that is hard on the puck.

Would let us reserve the top 3 lines for guys who can score, and let the best 9 men win the jobs.
- TommyDeVito

This is all well and good, but we probably have the most unproven top 3 lines since the early years of this franchise. Macarthur/Turris/Ryan will provide the boatload of offence, but after that it's less clear. Having a 4th line that can chip in will help this team in the early going.