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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jul 26 @ 2:23 PM ET
Ryan Wilson: James Reimer Contract Great Example of Value Reimer Contract Great Example of Value
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jul 26 @ 2:45 PM ET
JVR_42_PK81
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 04.20.2014

Jul 26 @ 2:48 PM ET

- SuperHenderson13


It's true
hawken
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Kelowna, BC
Joined: 07.26.2006

Jul 26 @ 2:49 PM ET
Science works female doges! This makes me miss Lu more....
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jul 26 @ 3:08 PM ET
It's true
- JVR_42_PK81

If I'm picking between Reimer/Bernier and MAF/Griess... i'll pay the extra 700k and take MAF/Griess.

MAF has proven he can do it but has unfortunately been shot down as the result of poor coaching... neither Reimer or Bernier have proven that they can do it and lead a team in the playoffs. might they be able to? sure. but give me that guy who has already done it.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jul 26 @ 3:11 PM ET
If nothing else, there's comfort in knowing greiss is good value. Fleury will always be overpaid on my eyes.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jul 26 @ 3:16 PM ET
If I'm picking between Reimer/Bernier and MAF/Griess... i'll pay the extra 700k and take MAF/Griess.

MAF has proven he can do it but has unfortunately been shot down as the result of poor coaching... neither Reimer or Bernier have proven that they can do it and lead a team in the playoffs. might they be able to? sure. but give me that guy who has already done it.

- SuperHenderson13


Better go get broduer. Cuz you know cups

Ignore if they are worse goalies. Not important
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jul 26 @ 3:18 PM ET
Better go get broduer. Cuz you know cups

Ignore if they are worse goalies. Not important

- senstroll



I'll take MAF over those 2 because I believe that he is a better goalie than either of them, cups aside.

when you have a goalie on a defensively challenged team, i dont read too much into the stats. i know some of your stats boys hate people like that, but its the way i look at it.
JVR_42_PK81
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 04.20.2014

Jul 26 @ 3:21 PM ET


I'll take MAF over those 2 because I believe that he is a better goalie than either of them, cups aside.

when you have a goalie on a defensively challenged team, i dont read too much into the stats. i know some of your stats boys hate people like that, but its the way i look at it.

- SuperHenderson13


that's funny. Bernier over MAF any day of the week. What has MAF proved? That his team can carry him to a cup? Bernier has proved that he can carry a team. Reimer and fleury are even.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 26 @ 3:23 PM ET
Had a feeling this blog was coming

Oh well, we're in a winning situation with Marc Andre Flowerpower this season, it being his contract year and all.

If he poops the bed in the playoffs like he did during the lockout season and the season before that, he's played himself out of Pitt and his contract goes off the book.

If he plays at last year's output or builds on the performance moderately, we go forth with extension talks and try to convince him to take a pay cut. He either agrees, and we have bridge over to Jarry, or he opts to take more money else where and his contract comes off the book.

If he has an amazing contract season, well then he once again played his way out of Pitt, hopefully giving us a cup as a parting gift, and his contract goes off the books.

In any case, Fleury's contract is only with us for one more year. The problem that is more worth thinking about is how are we going to bridge over to Jarry? The only starting UFAs next year are Fleury and Fasth. Fasth is unappealing any way you slice it, and if Fleury is still an option for our organization that means he played very very well this coming season and will be looking for a raise. We're going to end up having to take a gamble with a back up, whether it be in house with Zatkoff or via trade/signing. I don't like the outlook at all. We may have finally fixed our depth problems, but we may end up waisting two more years of the Crosby/Malkin era due to bad goal tending, and that's at the minimum.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jul 26 @ 3:27 PM ET
that's funny. Bernier over MAF any day of the week. What has MAF proved? That his team can carry him to a cup? Bernier has proved that he can carry a team. Reimer and fleury are even.
- JVR_42_PK81

when in god's name has Jonathan Bernier ever carried to a team?

James Reimer with a 2.88 GAA in the playoffs? sorry, that isnt going to impress anyone.

Toronto's goalies have had the luck of playing under a defensive minded coach for the past couple of seasons... MAF hasnt. Shockingly enough, MAF's best seasons in the playoffs came in the 2 years he played under a defensive minded coaching style.

amazing.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jul 26 @ 3:27 PM ET


On another note. (frank)ing Jays. bases loaded no outs and they were lucky to get a run. Rasmus is crap, trade him and let Gose play centre.
Kaden
Joined: 12.04.2013

Jul 26 @ 3:28 PM ET
This is nothing more than him taking a lower salary to look attractive to other teams in hopes of getting out from under this dead weight of an organization.

Give me break
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jul 26 @ 3:29 PM ET


On another note. (frank)ing Jays. bases loaded no outs and they were lucky to get a run. Rasmus is crap, trade him and let Gose play centre.

- Scooby_Doo

you think they are going to be buyers at the deadline and go big or just see where they go with what they got?
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jul 26 @ 3:29 PM ET
There is a reason Fluery is the winningest goalie in team history. Your repeated attempts to denigrate him are so easily seen for the bologna it is by people on this site. Riemer? seriously? Like trading in Chara for Kvasha! All that being said... absolutely not on the contract extension.... make his ass earn it.
Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jul 26 @ 3:30 PM ET
when in god's name has Jonathan Bernier ever carried to a team?

James Reimer with a 2.88 GAA in the playoffs? sorry, that isnt going to impress anyone.

Toronto's goalies have had the luck of playing under a defensive minded coach for the past couple of seasons... MAF hasnt. Shockingly enough, MAF's best seasons in the playoffs came in the 2 years he played under a defensive minded coaching style.

amazing.

- SuperHenderson13


If defensive minded means playing in your own end at historically bad rates, then yes, you are certainly correct.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jul 26 @ 3:32 PM ET
you think they are going to be buyers at the deadline and go big or just see where they go with what they got?
- SuperHenderson13


Richest owners in baseball, yet they are the cheapest. I doubt they do anything.

SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jul 26 @ 3:33 PM ET
If defensive minded means playing in your own end at historically bad rates, then yes, you are certainly correct.
- Ryan_Wilson

never said Toronto was a good team at what they did, but having a coach who preaches defense is something MAF hasnt seen since 2009.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jul 26 @ 3:34 PM ET
Richest owners in baseball, yet they are the cheapest. I doubt they do anything.
- Scooby_Doo

dont worry my man, pirates are right there with you.

interested to see what the buccos do. i think this could be a team that goes deep with the breaks and the talent they have.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jul 26 @ 3:34 PM ET
oh./.. and paying over 2 mil for a backup is good value!?!? Seriously? your desperate man... sad and desperate.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jul 26 @ 3:35 PM ET
oh./.. and paying over 2 mil for a backup is good value!?!? Seriously? your desperate man... sad and desperate.
- ChrisMS

Toronto's going to introduce the 2 goalie model this year.
JVR_42_PK81
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 04.20.2014

Jul 26 @ 3:36 PM ET
Had a feeling this blog was coming

Oh well, we're in a winning situation with Marc Andre Flowerpower this season, it being his contract year and all.

If he poops the bed in the playoffs like he did during the lockout season and the season before that, he's played himself out of Pitt and his contract goes off the book.

If he plays at last year's output or builds on the performance moderately, we go forth with extension talks and try to convince him to take a pay cut. He either agrees, and we have bridge over to Jarry, or he opts to take more money else where and his contract comes off the book.

If he has an amazing contract season, well then he once again played his way out of Pitt, hopefully giving us a cup as a parting gift, and his contract goes off the books.

In any case, Fleury's contract is only with us for one more year. The problem that is more worth thinking about is how are we going to bridge over to Jarry? The only starting UFAs next year are Fleury and Fasth. Fasth is unappealing any way you slice it, and if Fleury is still an option for our organization that means he played very very well this coming season and will be looking for a raise. We're going to end up having to take a gamble with a back up, whether it be in house with Zatkoff or via trade/signing. I don't like the outlook at all. We may have finally fixed our depth problems, but we may end up waisting two more years of the Crosby/Malkin era due to bad goal tending, and that's at the minimum.

- Victoro311


I hope you guys keep Marc Andre Fluery. The Pittsburgh Penguins with an elite goalie. yikes. Would be a huge faveorite to win the cup.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jul 26 @ 3:37 PM ET
Toronto's going to introduce the 2 goalie model this year.
- SuperHenderson13


and that was worked for what percent of teams over the years? 2... maybe 3?
JVR_42_PK81
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 04.20.2014

Jul 26 @ 3:37 PM ET
when in god's name has Jonathan Bernier ever carried to a team?

James Reimer with a 2.88 GAA in the playoffs? sorry, that isnt going to impress anyone.

Toronto's goalies have had the luck of playing under a defensive minded coach for the past couple of seasons... MAF hasnt. Shockingly enough, MAF's best seasons in the playoffs came in the 2 years he played under a defensive minded coaching style.

amazing.

- SuperHenderson13


obviously you didn't watch any Leafs games last year. To call us a defensive style team would be a joke. We were an offensive team that would trade chances. A goalie hell.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 26 @ 3:41 PM ET
obviously you didn't watch any Leafs games last year. To call us a defensive style team would be a joke. We were an offensive team that would trade chances. A goalie hell.
- JVR_42_PK81


But you have the mighty Dion Phaneuf! How can you not be a defensive style team with the greatest defenseman to ever play the game on the roster?

If I was old man Ruth, I'd trade Crosby, Malkin, and eight 1sts for Dion the Great, but you guys could probably get a better deal for him.
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