Overachievers has a bit of a negative connotation to me. In my mind it means "this player's not so good, but they'll have a good year", so it limits the choice to "scrubs".

I know the team is filled with said scrubs after a year like last year, I just protest your verbiage, good sir.
- stashu

Yeah it would be easier to see Girgenson score 10 or 15 , which would be overachieve, as opposed to seeing hodgson or ennis score 30.

- stashu

oh my

oh my
- homiedclown

Fallon showed video of it last night, it was glorious.

- stashu

Good lord

Yeah it would be easier to see Girgenson score 10 or 15 , which would be overachieve, as opposed to seeing hodgson or ennis score 30.
- joshs

You think Girgensons scoring 10 or 15 is him overachieving? Or am I reading this wrong??

You think Girgensons scoring 10 or 15 is him overachieving? Or am I reading this wrong??
- HonkFortheGoose

Girgensons actually has an uncanny ability to make space for himself and get into scoring position. The problem is that, at least for now, he's got hands of stone.

Girgensons actually has an uncanny ability to make space for himself and get into scoring position. The problem is that, at least for now, he's got hands of stone.
- buffalofan19

Well, he had 8 goals last year. I'd like to see him get about 15 this year. I think he's got a great learning curve and he's willing to drive to the net. I think once his development is done, he'll be a 20ish goal scorer. Maybe like 50 points, because like you said, he's good at creating space for himself.

Honestly, he's never going to be an offensive juggernaut, but where he lacks the actual skill, he more than makes up for it with the amount of passion he plays the game with.

Well, he had 8 goals last year. I'd like to see him get about 15 this year. I think he's got a great learning curve and he's willing to drive to the net. I think once his development is done, he'll be a 20ish goal scorer. Maybe like 50 points, because like you said, he's good at creating space for himself.

Honestly, he's never going to be an offensive juggernaut, but where he lacks the actual skill, he more than makes up for it with the amount of passion he plays the game with.
- HonkFortheGoose

Have to agree with all this. Think he ends up a 45-50 point guy most seasons with maybe one 60 pt career year. Solid producer, worker, and leader. Just hope people don't expect too much offensively.

Have to agree with all this. Think he ends up a 45-50 point guy most seasons with maybe one 60 pt career year. Solid producer, worker, and leader. Just hope people don't expect too much offensively.
- Eclipsec20

I think 60 is way too high. I see 30-40 yearly average. 10-20 Goals and Assists per year.

60 Points would put him with the likes of JVR, ROR, Pominville, Hossa, Pacioretty. etc.

IMO he has nowhere near the offensive ability as the above mentioned. He will be a Jordan Staal type guy. Great 2-way center, not a great point producer.

I think 60 is way too high. I see 30-40 yearly average. 10-20 Goals and Assists per year.

60 Points would put him with the likes of JVR, ROR, Pominville, Hossa, Pacioretty. etc.

IMO he has nowhere near the offensive ability as the above mentioned.
- ImThatGuy

I think he can get somewhere in the 30+ assist range. He's great at creating space for himself and his linemates. I'm not saying it's going to happen this year, or even next, but in his prime I think that's what we'll see. In the end, I think he'll be a very comparable player to what we had in Peca.

I think he can get somewhere in the 30+ assist range. He's great at creating space for himself and his linemates. I'm not saying it's going to happen this year, or even next, but in his prime I think that's what we'll see. In the end, I think he'll be a very comparable player to what we had in Peca.
- HonkFortheGoose

I'm also looking at the downward trend in the NHL in scoring right now, and I just don't see it.

I love the compete and the attitude towards the game, but I picture him as a 20/20 guy.

If playing on line 3, he is going to have line mates that are not the best at putting the puck in the net, but are more geared towards shutting down the offense of the opponent.

I think he can get somewhere in the 30+ assist range. He's great at creating space for himself and his linemates. I'm not saying it's going to happen this year, or even next, but in his prime I think that's what we'll see. In the end, I think he'll be a very comparable player to what we had in Peca.
- HonkFortheGoose

Assuming the Sabres get another offensive stud or 2 in next year's draft, Girgensons will most likely be able to hit the 40-50 point mark when everyone hits their prime. Think back to 2006 and 2007 when Paul freaking Gaustad had 36 points in 2007-2008 (the prior two years he missed games due to injury or he most likely would have hit that as well). Girgensons has much more offensive talent than Gaustad ever did.

I'm also looking at the downward trend in the NHL in scoring right now, and I just don't see it.

I love the compete and the attitude towards the game, but I picture him as a 20/20 guy.

If playing on line 3, he is going to have line mates that are not the best at putting the puck in the net, but are more geared towards shutting down the offense of the opponent.
- ImThatGuy

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets time on the 2nd PP unit though too, so you have to take that into account. He's willing to park himself in front of the net and take a beating, so he's gonna get some garbage type goals. I think 40 pts will be around what he gets. Hell, he had 22 this year alone on a team that couldn't score worth a damn and he was only 19 years old.

I may or may not have a Girgensons third jersey.
- Herzeleid

Assuming the Sabres get another offensive stud or 2 in next year's draft, Girgensons will most likely be able to hit the 40-50 point mark when everyone hits their prime. Think back to 2006 and 2007 when Paul freaking Gaustad had 36 points in 2007-2008 (the prior two years he missed games due to injury or he most likely would have hit that as well). Girgensons has much more offensive talent than Gaustad ever did.
- buffalofan19

The only thing though is in 07-08 scoring was still up in the NHL. It is trending downward and has decreased almost a full PPG since then.

The only thing though is in 07-08 scoring was still up in the NHL. It is trending downward and has decreased almost a full PPG since then.
- ImThatGuy

Powerplay opportunities per game have been trending down along with it. Last season tied historic lows.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html


I also noticed last year the refs complete unwillingness to put teams on a 5-3.

Goalie invited to camp

http://www.wgr550.com/pag...Type=4&contentId=15638605

Goalie invited to camp

http://www.wgr550.com/pag...Type=4&contentId=15638605
- cabin

L8

Overachievers has a bit of a negative connotation to me. In my mind it means "this player's not so good, but they'll have a good year", so it limits the choice to "scrubs".

I know the team is filled with said scrubs after a year like last year, I just protest your verbiage, good sir.
- stashu

, good sir.

, good sir.







- grand-magus

I didth protest

L8
- stashu

I missed it at 1:30am

NHL network was showing the Game 7 against carolina this morning when i was getting ready for work.. i forgot how much janik and jillson played in that game
and man were they terrible... when hecht scored on his hecht type goal to put us up at the end of the 2nd i turned it off..

NHL network was showing the Game 7 against carolina this morning when i was getting ready for work.. i forgot how much janik and jillson played in that game
and man were they terrible... when hecht scored on his hecht type goal to put us up at the end of the 2nd i turned it off..
- IndianaSabresFan

That game gave me a really strong hate for Rory Fitzpatrick.

NHL network was showing the Game 7 against carolina this morning when i was getting ready for work.. i forgot how much janik and jillson played in that game
and man were they terrible... when hecht scored on his hecht type goal to put us up at the end of the 2nd i turned it off..
- IndianaSabresFan

Peters was talking about Game 6 of that series this morning. It made me very sad.

I think 60 is way too high. I see 30-40 yearly average. 10-20 Goals and Assists per year.

60 Points would put him with the likes of JVR, ROR, Pominville, Hossa, Pacioretty. etc.

IMO he has nowhere near the offensive ability as the above mentioned. He will be a Jordan Staal type guy. Great 2-way center, not a great point producer.
- ImThatGuy

I don't completely disagree with you, still too soon to know how he will turn out. I personally see him being more like a Ryan Callahan or Dustin Brown. Probably closer to Callahan's numbers