reminds me of this

- Barnaby36

thats pretty good... would have been better with hossa though

Their roster is set:
Kuni-Sid-dupuis
Hornqvist-Malkin-Bennett
Spaling-sutter-downie
Comeau-Goc-Adams
Ahl guy

Letang-Martin
Ehrhoff-maatta
Scuderi-despres
Bortuzzo

They have absolutely no more spots except for the 13th forward
- drummer829

I think thats accurate until camp. see who competes well and reevaluate. maybe a whitney/penner/seto into the season if still available or a trade of a d prospect for a rental forward.

I think thats accurate until camp. see who competes well and reevaluate. maybe a whitney/penner/seto into the season if still available or a trade of a d prospect for a rental forward.
- ChrisMS

NHL Rosters are 23 spots. Hence why I said they could have 3 or 4 more. Sutter and Spaling. Then 13th Forward, who still counts against the cap. And then one last roster spot should they choose to fill it. And yes like I said, they can get under the cap by not filling that 23rd man roster and filling the 13th forward with anAHL guy, but then you are left with around $300K in cap space, not what I would call ideal. But if you are ok with that scenario, then by all means your roster is set. I am not ok with that scenario, it leaves no room for deadline acquisition and leaves no room for injury call-ups unless someone goes on IR.

NHL Rosters are 23 spots. Hence why I said they could have 3 or 4 more. Sutter and Spaling. Then 13th Forward, who still counts against the cap. And then one last roster spot should they choose to fill it. And yes like I said, they can get under the cap by not filling that 23rd man roster and filling the 13th forward with anAHL guy, but then you are left with around $300K in cap space, not what I would call ideal. But if you are ok with that scenario, then by all means your roster is set. I am not ok with that scenario, it leaves no room for deadline acquisition and leaves no room for injury call-ups unless someone goes on IR.
- PensFan1103

It's not ideal, but it's what the pens have. They can't do anything else besides trading scuderi, sutter, or spaling. So yes, I am ok with the pens entering the season with around 500k in cap space, especially because someone going on IR or LTIR is a given

So... can't we just offer to sleep with a GM or something to help dump Scuderi?

So... can't we just offer to sleep with a GM or something to help dump Scuderi?
- Guile

You'd think after orpik getting a crap load of money, someone would want scuderi for free

It's not ideal, but it's what the pens have. They can't do anything else besides trading scuderi, sutter, or spaling. So yes, I am ok with the pens entering the season with around 500k in cap space, especially because someone going on IR or LTIR is a given
- drummer829

But they can. They can try to sign those 2 guys for as cheap as possible. I understand it is the boat the Pens are in, but the whole point of my argument is that you don't just give someone an extra $200K just to get them signed. The Pens have a due diligence to get Sutter and Spaling for absolutely as cheap as they can. Not just giving them closer to what they want to get them signed. Sutter and/or Spaling are going to have to take less than their projected 2 and 3.5 to even get to $500,000 in space. I'm not saying the Pens shouldn't sign Spaling and Sutter, just that they need to play hard ball. Spaling is out of their hands at this point because he is going to arbitration, so their hands are tied they either sign him to whatever the arbitrator says, which I think will be 2 or slightly less. But they should be leanig hard on Sutter, he has no leverage.

NHL Rosters are 23 spots. Hence why I said they could have 3 or 4 more. Sutter and Spaling. Then 13th Forward, who still counts against the cap. And then one last roster spot should they choose to fill it. And yes like I said, they can get under the cap by not filling that 23rd man roster and filling the 13th forward with anAHL guy, but then you are left with around $300K in cap space, not what I would call ideal. But if you are ok with that scenario, then by all means your roster is set. I am not ok with that scenario, it leaves no room for deadline acquisition and leaves no room for injury call-ups unless someone goes on IR.
- PensFan1103

you dont need 13th forward on the cap if 2 way. call up when injury occurs. it is what it is... adjustments made in season

You'd think after orpik getting a crap load of money, someone would want scuderi for free
- drummer829

I truly think for better or worse that they want to see if scuderi can have a bounce back season with a new coach etc. he was a big investment and they still can play they hope game with the new regime. if he plays well enough to be a top 6 then they can accept the deal as worth it. if he plays like hell then maybe they can unload him next offseason with only 2 years left on his deal. I could even see them possibly buy him out with only two years left on his deal... never saw that with 3.

But they can. They can try to sign those 2 guys for as cheap as possible. I understand it is the boat the Pens are in, but the whole point of my argument is that you don't just give someone an extra $200K just to get them signed. The Pens have a due diligence to get Sutter and Spaling for absolutely as cheap as they can. Not just giving them closer to what they want to get them signed. Sutter and/or Spaling are going to have to take less than their projected 2 and 3.5 to even get to $500,000 in space. I'm not saying the Pens shouldn't sign Spaling and Sutter, just that they need to play hard ball. Spaling is out of their hands at this point because he is going to arbitration, so their hands are tied they either sign him to whatever the arbitrator says, which I think will be 2 or slightly less. But they should be leanig hard on Sutter, he has no leverage.
- PensFan1103

Signing spaling for 2 mil for one year is being cheap IMO. Sutter will get over 3, but not sure how much more than that. Simply put, their hands are tied unless they trade someone. Sutter doesn't have much leverage, but he definatley still has some. So to repeat myself, yes I am ok with the pens having not much cap space to start the season. Same exact thing happened last season and the pens were able to trade draft picks for stemp and Goc. I also think scuderi would be easier to trade at the deadline as well, especially if a team is getting plagued by injuries. Not sure what the crying over cap space is all about. A big trade may not even be needed if kapanen continues to impress

I truly think for better or worse that they want to see if scuderi can have a bounce back season with a new coach etc. he was a big investment and they still can play they hope game with the new regime. if he plays well enough to be a top 6 then they can accept the deal as worth it. if he plays like hell then maybe they can unload him next offseason with only 2 years left on his deal. I could even see them possibly buy him out with only two years left on his deal... never saw that with 3.
- ChrisMS

Except if he plays like ass again, no team will want him for sure. I wonder if they are hoping he has a bounce back season to boost his value a bit and maybe get a 5th rounder rather than an 8th rounder

Except if he plays like ass again, no team will want him for sure. I wonder if they are hoping he has a bounce back season to boost his value a bit and maybe get a 5th rounder rather than an 8th rounder
- drummer829

I highly doubt they trade him this season. Unless it is at the deadline and its a salary dump for a player with salary coming back... jr obviously has shown the willingness to absorb salary (i.e. JJ) in the past, but not sure ML and RB would ok eating money. Scuds probably is here for the rest of the season, for better or worse.

Anyone remember Martins first year with the Penguins in Bylsma's system? He was crap, similar to how Scuds played. I understand Martin was younger than what Scuds is but I am not passing judgement just yet. Maybe it is wishful thinking but I think about Martins first season and get a bit more hopeful.

Except if he plays like ass again, no team will want him for sure. I wonder if they are hoping he has a bounce back season to boost his value a bit and maybe get a 5th rounder rather than an 8th rounder
- drummer829

I do think the shorter puck game Pittsburgh's coaching staff is going to install will protect the D in general from the kinds of disastrous turnovers common during the last coaching administration. I think in particular Scuderi will be more insulated as a result.

I believe that Scuderi completes this season in Pittsburgh. His value comes in the off-season specifically because he carries a high-ish cap number. Teams will continue to need to make an ever-increasing cap floor; he can be moved then.

Anyone remember Martins first year with the Penguins in Bylsma's system? He was crap, similar to how Scuds played. I understand Martin was younger than what Scuds is but I am not passing judgement just yet. Maybe it is wishful thinking but I think about Martins first season and get a bit more hopeful.
- kgrpitt

Yes, but Martin can skate, pass, and shoot. Scuderi can't do any of those three. No system will help him.

Except if he plays like ass again, no team will want him for sure. I wonder if they are hoping he has a bounce back season to boost his value a bit and maybe get a 5th rounder rather than an 8th rounder
- drummer829

drop him onto the waiver wire on week 10. just long enough for some team to have an injury on defense. bam, free defenseman. cap space cleared.

drop him onto the waiver wire on week 10. just long enough for some team to have an injury on defense. bam, free defenseman. cap space cleared.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Isn't he protected by some 35+ rule that you can't put him on waivers, or am I making up stuff?

Anyone remember Martins first year with the Penguins in Bylsma's system? He was crap, similar to how Scuds played. I understand Martin was younger than what Scuds is but I am not passing judgement just yet. Maybe it is wishful thinking but I think about Martins first season and get a bit more hopeful.
- kgrpitt

Not the same system but I believe gonchar struggled his 1st year here as well

drop him onto the waiver wire on week 10. just long enough for some team to have an injury on defense. bam, free defenseman. cap space cleared.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

he is our version of leclavlier. teams wont take him with 2+ years left on his contract even for free. pens would have to pay a team to take him. teams know pens are stuck.

Anyone remember Martins first year with the Penguins in Bylsma's system? He was crap, similar to how Scuds played. I understand Martin was younger than what Scuds is but I am not passing judgement just yet. Maybe it is wishful thinking but I think about Martins first season and get a bit more hopeful.
- kgrpitt

Not the same thing. Martin was/is a dynamic defenseman who just needed a learning curve to adjust to. Scuds is a stay at home D type that is showing major signs of wear and tear. Remember that he wasn't doing bad at all before his injury. This means one of two things. Either he wasn't playing at full strength for the rest of the season after he came back and he's had a whole offseason to heal, or that his fracture was the straw that broke the camel's back in his old age and he'll never be the same again.

Even if it's the former and he bounces back we still don't need him and should jump on any trade to shed his cap.

Jesus, does it ever sound like the Habs are bungling the negotiations with Subban. They offered him 5.25 over a 1 year deal. He is looking for more. They head to the arbitrator on Friday.

Either way he is looking for a one year deal and then becomes a UFA. That should scare Hab fans.

Jesus, does it ever sound like the Habs are bungling the negotiations with Subban. They offered him 5.25 over a 1 year deal. He is looking for more. They head to the arbitrator on Friday.

Either way he is looking for a one year deal and then becomes a UFA. That should scare Hab fans.
- Ben37

So does that mean Letang trade rumors will surface again? lol

Jesus, does it ever sound like the Habs are bungling the negotiations with Subban. They offered him 5.25 over a 1 year deal. He is looking for more. They head to the arbitrator on Friday.

Either way he is looking for a one year deal and then becomes a UFA. That should scare Hab fans.
- Ben37

I really get the impression the organization doesn't want Subban. They should be locking him up forever and ever.

Jesus, does it ever sound like the Habs are bungling the negotiations with Subban. They offered him 5.25 over a 1 year deal. He is looking for more. They head to the arbitrator on Friday.

Either way he is looking for a one year deal and then becomes a UFA. That should scare Hab fans.
- Ben37

I'd never let a super star begin a season with a one year deal. If he won't sign long term at an amount you can live with you have to move him.

Random trade proposal of the day....ok really random

To SJS: Sutter, Harrington, 2nd 2015
To PIT: Pavelski