I really get the impression the organization doesn't want Subban. They should be locking him up forever and ever.
- BulliesPhan87

Well they don't want to pay him at least. It sounds like he doesn't want to be there looking for a one year deal.

Random trade proposal of the day....ok really random

To SJS: Sutter, Harrington, 2nd 2015
To PIT: Pavelski
- YouMeAndDupuis9

sjs reaction

when you (or anybody) does these trade proposals, try to make the trade from the other side... if i was sj and needed to trade one of my non-aged top youngin's, what would i want? kapanan, despres, and a 1st.

in fairness, a different random trade proposal for you to critique...

bobby ryan, 2015 3rd to pens

scuds, 2015 1st, beau bennett, despres

in fairness, a different random trade proposal for you to critique...

bobby ryan, 2015 3rd to pens

scuds, 2015 1st, beau bennett, despres
- ChrisMS

I'd do that if Ryan was signed past this year. However you could always get him for free in FA. I say offer him a 5 year deal at 7.5 mil/year. With the cap going up and Martin coming off the books, it's doable.

I'd do that if Ryan was signed past this year. However you could always get him for free in FA. I say offer him a 5 year deal at 7.5 mil/year. With the cap going up and Martin coming off the books, it's doable.
- drummer829

whomever deadline deals for him will have the best shot at signing him... good chance he never makes it to FA.

whomever deadline deals for him will have the best shot at signing him... good chance he never makes it to FA.
- ChrisMS

If I were him is want to test out FA. He's really the only big name next year and could possibly land a huge paycheck.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the Penguins walk away from a ruling that they don't like? So, if Spaling is awarded 2.25 million, can the Pens say no and he becomes a UFA?

Should have asked for a second round pick instead. Spaling isn't that good of a player and his cost will be absurdly high.

sjs reaction

when you (or anybody) does these trade proposals, try to make the trade from the other side... if i was sj and needed to trade one of my non-aged top youngin's, what would i want? kapanan, despres, and a 1st.
- ChrisMS

I guess I was just comparing it to recent "big" trades like Neal and, in particular, the staal trade. Sutter is more established now. Harrington is as good as dumo. ....I guess wed have to make it a first, instead of a second.

My impression is Spaling's agent is a pain in the ass.

in fairness, a different random trade proposal for you to critique...

bobby ryan, 2015 3rd to pens

scuds, 2015 1st, beau bennett, despres
- ChrisMS

Nah, values ok but not with Ryan's contract situation. Would you do that proposed package u just said for Pavelski?

....or martin, Sutter, first, and Samuelson for pavelski and a 3rd?

I guess I was just comparing it to recent "big" trades like Neal and, in particular, the staal trade. Sutter is more established now. Harrington is as good as dumo. ....I guess wed have to make it a first, instead of a second.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

might work better.

If I were him is want to test out FA. He's really the only big name next year and could possibly land a huge paycheck.
- drummer829

pens could give it with martin off the books. plus the proposal also gets rid of scuds.

Nah, values ok but not with Ryan's contract situation. Would you do that proposed package u just said for Pavelski?

....or martin, Sutter, first, and Samuelson for pavelski and a 3rd?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

martin only has value to certain teams as a rental, already said he wants to test the market. have to give not expiring assets to get a guy with 4? years left on is deal.

ryan deal is a risk. f he walks its a lot to give up... but even if he did its not a total loss as scuds is gone and a 3rd comes back. I bet the pens could resign him though.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the Penguins walk away from a ruling that they don't like? So, if Spaling is awarded 2.25 million, can the Pens say no and he becomes a UFA?

Should have asked for a second round pick instead. Spaling isn't that good of a player and his cost will be absurdly high.
- Oneonta Penguin

spalings contract is gonna be right on par with other 3rd liners and he has a but of potential for improvement. a 2nd round pick, statistically, would be lucky to turn into a spaling. I'd have taken a 1st, or multiple picks over spaling, but a 2nd would have been a worse deal.

spalings contract is gonna be right on par with other 3rd liners and he has a but of potential for improvement. a 2nd round pick, statistically, would be lucky to turn into a spaling. I'd have taken a 1st, or multiple picks over spaling, but a 2nd would have been a worse deal.
- ChrisMS

Take that 2nd and package it to trade up and grab barbashev.

Nah, values ok but not with Ryan's contract situation. Would you do that proposed package u just said for Pavelski?

....or martin, Sutter, first, and Samuelson for pavelski and a 3rd?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I believe any trade for a top player is going to cost more than our "furthest down the depth chart" d-prospects.

Teams would be expecting guys named Despres, Maatta, Pouliot etc... which Pitt won't do. Despres seems like the most expendable guy Matta definitely not. Pouliot, well, it's debatable.

I believe any trade for a top player is going to cost more than our "furthest down the depth chart" d-prospects.

Teams would be expecting guys named Despres, Maatta, Pouliot etc... which Pitt won't do. Despres seems like the most expendable guy Matta definitely not. Pouliot, well, it's debatable.
- penguins-4-life

I think pouliot depends how letang can bounce back. If he flourishes with this new system and can stay healthy, pouliot becomes expendable.

Take that 2nd and package it to trade up and grab barbashev.
- drummer829

package may or may not have happened and barbashov may never play 100 games in the nhl

Who here would trade Maata? He is the perfect definition of selling high. This past year could have been a fluke (see Tyler Myers) we could likely score a high end prospect with Maata, and we are very deep at that position.

Could Tatar/Nyqvist be had from Detroit for Maata? I'd take Tatar over Nyqvist personally but either way, top end wing for a top end dman.


With Suban looking like he will be on the outs in Montreal, who would do a swap for Letang? A month ago no way Montreal does a straight up, but maybe now that it looks like he may not be staying there I think a straight up or close to could be had. I would take Subban over Letang and offer him 8m on a long term. Montreal LOVES french players... Subban and Ehrhoff on the PP would be rediculous!

Who here would trade Maata? He is the perfect definition of selling high. This past year could have been a fluke (see Tyler Myers) we could likely score a high end prospect with Maata, and we are very deep at that position.

Could Tatar/Nyqvist be had from Detroit for Maata? I'd take Tatar over Nyqvist personally but either way, top end wing for a top end dman.


With Suban looking like he will be on the outs in Montreal, who would do a swap for Letang? A month ago no way Montreal does a straight up, but maybe now that it looks like he may not be staying there I think a straight up or close to could be had. I would take Subban over Letang and offer him 8m on a long term. Montreal LOVES french players... Subban and Ehrhoff on the PP would be rediculous!
- stackthepads

No one is trading Maatta... i feel like ya might get tarred and feathered for even suggesting it.

Subban for Letang isn't a horrid idea in theory... but, Subban is goign to make at least 2 mil more than Letang, and we just don't have the cap space for that right now.

Who here would trade Maata? He is the perfect definition of selling high. This past year could have been a fluke (see Tyler Myers) we could likely score a high end prospect with Maata, and we are very deep at that position.

Could Tatar/Nyqvist be had from Detroit for Maata? I'd take Tatar over Nyqvist personally but either way, top end wing for a top end dman.


With Suban looking like he will be on the outs in Montreal, who would do a swap for Letang? A month ago no way Montreal does a straight up, but maybe now that it looks like he may not be staying there I think a straight up or close to could be had. I would take Subban over Letang and offer him 8m on a long term. Montreal LOVES french players... Subban and Ehrhoff on the PP would be rediculous!
- stackthepads

Wouldn't even consider dealing Maatta at all. That wouldn't be smart.

No on Subban. We already have 33% of our cap invested on three players. That is with Letang making 7.25 million. That percentage goes up with Subban north of 8. Also, why would Montreal do that? They can get more for Subban on the trade front than a fragile defenseman making 7.25 million the next seven years.

spalings contract is gonna be right on par with other 3rd liners and he has a but of potential for improvement. a 2nd round pick, statistically, would be lucky to turn into a spaling. I'd have taken a 1st, or multiple picks over spaling, but a 2nd would have been a worse deal.
- ChrisMS

Many good second round picks in the NHL today. Please don't base this on the history of the second round pick in Pittsburgh. A second round pick to me is much better than overpaying for a run of the mill third line player that isn't that good. That second round pick could have allowed you to sign a much better player, like Winnik for cheaper.

No one is trading Maatta... i feel like ya might get tarred and feathered for even suggesting it.

Subban for Letang isn't a horrid idea in theory... but, Subban is goign to make at least 2 mil more than Letang, and we just don't have the cap space for that right now.
- Guile

Cap space can be made if it means signing a player like Subban, and I think 8x8 could get it done with him. If Old Man Ruth wanted he could get Scuderi off the books, they could decline to sign Sutter and trade him, they could trade Martin. It could be done if they had to.

As for Maata, I dont know, I think everyones man crush on him is a bit too big. He is a great positional dman but Im not sold that he is a top pairing dman. He is very young, so he definitely can improve and prove me wrong, but I just dont see an impact dman when I watch him. Nothing in his game is exceptional to me other than he is young.

Many good second round picks in the NHL today. Please don't base this on the history of the second round pick in Pittsburgh. A second round pick to me is much better than overpaying for a run of the mill third line player that isn't that good. That second round pick could have allowed you to sign a much better player, like Winnik for cheaper.
- Oneonta Penguin

Many more 2nd round picks never play in the NHL. What about Spaling do you not like? If he comes in at 2M thats fair value for him, I think people are looking at our cap situation and applying value to Spaling based on that rather than what Spaling brings.

Many more 2nd round picks never play in the NHL. What about Spaling do you not like? If he comes in at 2M thats fair value for him, I think people are looking at our cap situation and applying value to Spaling based on that rather than what Spaling brings.
- stackthepads

I think people look at his numbers in Nashville this last season and assume he is a good, competent player. His numbers suggest he might be, but ... he really truly isn't. I like very little about him as a player. The only good, he can play all three forward positions, but of course, not well at any of them. Winnik at 1.4 >>>>>>> Spaling and its not even close. I would have rather taken a chance on picking a second round kid and developing him than having an arbitrator rule the Pens have to pay north of 2 million for a player like him.