McDonagh never played the powerplay under Torts, Subban has been feasting on the powerplay since his first game in the NHL

I am not saying that is anyone's fault, but you guys are comparing their entire careers offensively, when I am telling you Torts had McDonagh on a total defensive leash and didn't let him go
- jimbro83

would you shut up already? you're proving nothing. future production is all that will settle this so give it a rest.

And I'm telling you Martin had Subban (and everyone else on the team) handcuffed to the goal post. I'm sorry but any argument about systems during their first years in the league is a non-factor. Jacques Martin is the Anti-Christ to scoring goals and offensive zone play.
- ehabs9

Subban played one season under Martin, had 9 goals and 9 assists on the powerplay in his rookie season. My point couldn't be made any stronger.

Subban played one season under Martin, had 9 goals and 9 assists on the powerplay in his rookie season. My point couldn't be made any stronger.
- jimbro83

2 seasons.

Unless you're counting the fact that Randy Cunneyworth took over for the second half of one as a boost to PK's offensive allowance.

Well leaf fans get your orders in for Subban jerseys!!!

would you shut up already? you're proving nothing. future production is all that will settle this so give it a rest.
- DoubleDown

that's pretty much what I said but in other words

would you shut up already? you're proving nothing. future production is all that will settle this so give it a rest.
- DoubleDown

I understand that when you are losing an argument and have nothing intelligent to say that people hide behind words like "shut up already"

you guys like to say sarcastic things, one Habs fan reponds to somebody's post with a laughing face and you guys act like a little gang, but I do expect some more hockey knowledge from a fanbase with such a distinct history

Habs are totally playing this wrong, I hope Subban gets insulted as he should and comes home we have no problem paying players here lol

Well leaf fans get your orders in for Subban jerseys!!!
- kiddels2

Don't waste your money, buy a quart of milk for your kids instead.

1 year deal:

$5-6M range-- insulting (especially after taking the deal he did)
$6-7M range-- starting point. fair but not what he's fully worth (^)
$7-7.25M range-- this would be good for MTL. very possible, unlikely
$7.25-7.75M range-- this is where a 8 year deal makes the most sense
$7.75-8M range-- this is starting to get into over payment
$8M+-- over-payment (compared to the rest of Dmen in the league)

I understand that when you are losing an argument and have nothing intelligent to say that people hide behind words like "shut up already"

you guys like to say sarcastic things, one Habs fan reponds to somebody's post with a laughing face and you guys act like a little gang, but I do expect some more hockey knowledge from a fanbase with such a distinct history
- jimbro83

Some of us are pretty funny though

I understand that when you are losing an argument and have nothing intelligent to say that people hide behind words like "shut up already"

you guys like to say sarcastic things, one Habs fan reponds to somebody's post with a laughing face and you guys act like a little gang, but I do expect some more hockey knowledge from a fanbase with such a distinct history
- jimbro83

Yes, and this very knowledgeable fanbase is telling you you are wrong. Get it?

Habs are totally playing this wrong, I hope Subban gets insulted as he should and comes home we have no problem paying players here lol
- Maddox2107

No, but it will be pretty hard to afford Stamkos and Subban really.

Don't waste your money, buy a quart of milk for your kids instead.
- elcabong

huh?

1 year deal:

$5-6M range-- insulting (especially after taking the deal he did)
$6-7M range-- starting point. fair but not what he's fully worth (^)
$7-7.25M range-- this would be good for MTL. very possible, unlikely
$7.25-7.75M range-- this is where a 8 year deal makes the most sense
$7.75-8M range-- this is starting to get into over payment
$8M+-- over-payment (compared to the rest of Dmen in the league)
- AlfieisKing

The thing is we don't know what Habs are offering to PK and what are PK's demand.

huh?
- kiddels2

Milk. It does the body good.

Reimer sucked the last part of the season but overall has had a pretty good start to his career.
- Yeti1181

In all fairness to Reimer - the whole team sucked down the stretch.

As a goalie, there's a huge difference knowing that while you may be required to make some big saves, the team will also do their best to bail you vs. knowing that if you give up 2 goals, chances are you're going to loose. Your mindset is different and you play a slightly different game.

This isn't a vote of confidence of Reimer over Bernier at all, very far from it.

I understand that when you are losing an argument and have nothing intelligent to say that people hide behind words like "shut up already"

you guys like to say sarcastic things, one Habs fan reponds to somebody's post with a laughing face and you guys act like a little gang, but I do expect some more hockey knowledge from a fanbase with such a distinct history
- jimbro83

oh (frank)ing yes!!!!

I hope Subban goes to the Canucks

I hope Subban goes to the Canucks
- glove_was_stuck

He's black, not Asian

He's black, not Asian
- Pea-Brain

i didn't know he was black

He's black, not Asian
- Pea-Brain

That's racist!

He's black, not Asian
- Pea-Brain

Blackanese

Blackanese
- WaterBoy

gross

gross
- Flyfreaky

Scrivens still played really well after coming to Edmonton and Fasth was injured for a lot of it but still played well once coming over. I have always maintain that I thought Scrivens would be better then Reimer over the long run.
- Yeti1181