Well Greening can battle the other 10 bottom 6 forwards for a spot. I'd take Ottawa's 1st for Dion though. In fact, there's only 4 players I wouldn't trade for Ottawa's 1st.
- walshyleafsfan

No ones trading their first pick for dion Phaneuf in a stacked draft year.. Especially a team like Ottawa that could finish anywhere from 13th - 6th in the eastern conference.

Well Greening can battle the other 10 bottom 6 forwards for a spot. I'd take Ottawa's 1st for Dion though. In fact, there's only 4 players I wouldn't trade for Ottawa's 1st.
- walshyleafsfan

Colin Greening + 2015 1st for Dion Phaneuf (leafs retain $0.5M each year)..... Sens would you do it?

(throw in Weircioch)

anyone argue that Ottawa Senators don't have the best group under 25 of any NHL organization (no biased)

Trading a D-man

Which D-man (dmen) would you trade if push came to shove. Erik Karlsson isn't going anywhere but it's a toss up after that. Methot? hometown boy UFA-to-be. Cowen? trading potential for an accomplished guy (in other words giving up on him, or trading him for a player you want more). Weircioch? He is a great puck mover but where does he fit. Is he defensively capable. Phillips? NMC, don't see him waiving it. Boroweici, Gryba, Ceci (doubt it as much as anyone outside Karlsson)

Bobby Ryan

The Salary cap is at $69M. That means that a $6.9M player is eating up 10% of the salary cap. If Ryan was offered a 8 year $56M deal today; would you sign him or wait?
- AlfieisKing

Gryba, Boroweicki are throw in to sweeten a trade. Ek is off limits. Wierciotch has value if we actually play the guy. Cowen I'd like to see another year of before giving up. Methot has value. Philips has no value.. Not sure why we resigned him

& yes where do I sign ???

Colin Greening + 2015 1st for Dion Phaneuf (leafs retain $0.5M each year)..... Sens would you do it?

(throw in Weircioch)
- AlfieisKing

Yup, you can also keep Greening and Wiercoch. In my opinion, both teams could be drafting fairly highly in that draft.

anyone argue that Ottawa Senators don't have the best group under 25 of any NHL organization (no biased)
- AlfieisKing

Erm.... yes, I'd argue that absolutely. (No biased-ness)

Colin Greening + 2015 1st for Dion Phaneuf (leafs retain $0.5M each year)..... Sens would you do it?

(throw in Weircioch)
- AlfieisKing

not a chance

Colin Greening + 2015 1st for Dion Phaneuf (leafs retain $0.5M each year)..... Sens would you do it?

(throw in Weircioch)
- AlfieisKing

WHAT!!!!

Dion is a good player but no way if I'm Ottawa would I trade my 1st in 2015 for him.

A D man would have to go the other way that's for sure though. I'd say Gryba or Cowen are the two likely candidates. And the pick would be a 2nd at best. I can't see TO ever touching Greening...

yikes. been on vacay to come back with trade proposals involving our 2015 first and pheneuf? what has happened to this blog!~

Colin Greening + 2015 1st for Dion Phaneuf (leafs retain $0.5M each year)..... Sens would you do it?

(throw in Weircioch)
- AlfieisKing

this is horrible...did you break your brain today?

Colin Greening + 2015 1st for Dion Phaneuf (leafs retain $0.5M each year)..... Sens would you do it?

(throw in Weircioch)
- AlfieisKing

Leafs would be dumb to pass on that.
So logically Nonis turns it down, and Dubas accepts

but no retained salary

unrelated...but seriously...what are the Habs thinking right now???? i cant wrap my head around this at all with Subban...

unrelated...but seriously...what are the Habs thinking right now???? i cant wrap my head around this at all with Subban...
- TheMike12

me neither. plus, i doubt this helps foster any "home town discounts" subban may take in the future to play in mtl, once he is a ufa.

unrelated...but seriously...what are the Habs thinking right now???? i cant wrap my head around this at all with Subban...
- TheMike12

I think its all part of the PK, Stamkos, Babcock, Tavares, to Toronto thingy.

I think its all part of the PK, Stamkos, Babcock, Tavares, to Toronto thingy.
- walshyleafsfan

oh right....how could i have overlooked that...

oh right....how could i have overlooked that...
- TheMike12

. There's obviously logic behind it if you are willing to look.

I think its all part of the PK, Stamkos, Babcock, Tavares, to Toronto thingy.
- walshyleafsfan

Imagine... the world would rumble... Do you think if something like that tried to happen the NHL would step in and prevent it like when the NBA blocked Paul from the Lakers?

I think its all part of the PK, Stamkos, Babcock, Tavares, to Toronto thingy.
- walshyleafsfan

yeah ok...Babcock to Toronto like that would ever happen

Imagine... the world would rumble... Do you think if something like that tried to happen the NHL would step in and prevent it like when the NBA blocked Paul from the Lakers?
- riceroni

Absolutely. Why would the NHL want a decent Canadian team screwing things up for them? It's bad for the league and for money.

yeah ok...Babcock to Toronto like that would ever happen
- senstroll

I know. I HAD to slip one unrealistic move in there.

good responses, looking them over.

it seems Greening, Weircioch, and a 1st most leaf fans are good with. interesting....

Erm.... yes, I'd argue that absolutely. (No biased-ness)
- walshyleafsfan

Ok which team do you think has a better group than the Sens (Under 25). In terms of potential I don't see any, but let's see; quick might not be 100% accuarte:

Kyle Turris (1st line center) Mika Zibanejad (2nd line center) Mark Stone (2nd line winger; 3rd if falls) Alex Chaisson (same as Stone) Curtis Lazar (top line winger; captain potential) Matt Puempel (2nd line G winger; 1st line potential) Alex Guptill (potential, unlikely, 2nd line G winger; 3rd line then) Mike Hoffman (Top 9 two way fast center/winger)

Erik Karlsson (franchise Dman) Jared Cowen (Top 4 shutdown with #2 potential) Patrick Weircioch (Top 4 PMD) Cody Ceci (2nd Dman; PPQB) Andreas Englund (Top 4 mobile stay at home)

Robin Lehner (#1 goalie)

unrelated...but seriously...what are the Habs thinking right now???? i cant wrap my head around this at all with Subban...
- TheMike12

ya... that karlsson contract

good responses, looking them over.

it seems Greening, Weircioch, and a 1st most leaf fans are good with. interesting....



Ok which team do you think has a better group than the Sens (Under 25). In terms of potential I don't see any, but let's see; quick might not be 100% accuarte:

Kyle Turris (1st line center) Mika Zibanejad (2nd line center) Mark Stone (2nd line winger; 3rd if falls) Alex Chaisson (same as Stone) Curtis Lazar (top line winger; captain potential) Matt Puempel (2nd line G winger; 1st line potential) Alex Guptill (potential, unlikely, 2nd line G winger; 3rd line then) Mike Hoffman (Top 9 two way fast center/winger)

Erik Karlsson (franchise Dman) Jared Cowen (Top 4 shutdown with #2 potential) Patrick Weircioch (Top 4 PMD) Cody Ceci (2nd Dman; PPQB) Andreas Englund (Top 4 mobile stay at home)

Robin Lehner (#1 goalie)
- AlfieisKing

edmonton, florida, buffalo

good responses, looking them over.

it seems Greening, Weircioch, and a 1st most leaf fans are good with. interesting....



Ok which team do you think has a better group than the Sens (Under 25). In terms of potential I don't see any, but let's see; quick not 100% accuarte:

Kyle Turris (1st line center) Mika Zibanejad (2nd line center) Mark Stone (2nd line winger; 3rd if falls) Alex Chaisson (same as Stone) Curtis Lazar (top line winger; captain potential) Matt Puempel (2nd line G winger; 1st line potential)

Erik Karlsson (franchise Dman) Jared Cowen (Top 4 shutdown with #2 potential) Patrick Weircioch (Top 4 PMD) Marc Boroweici (3rd pairing stay at home) Cody Ceci (2nd Dman; PPQB) Andreas Englund (Top 4 mobile stay at home)

Robin Lehner (#1 goalie)
- AlfieisKing

Well without researching too too much. Colorado off the top of my head. Probably Tampa and at a push (for different reasons) Buffalo.

It's a typical thing (not picking our Sens fans) for fans to look at the age of players and think, sweet we are young. We will be awesome in a few years. Every single player to have ever played in the NHal were young once.

Greening didn't just suddenly get poop. He was always poop. Clarkson isn't suddenly poop. Rene Borwue, Sam Gagner, Jacob Markstrom etc. etc. aren't suddenly poop.

Young players are always shiney. For the most part, it doesn't make them any more useful than older guys at the NHL level. All it is, it's a reason for hope among fan bases when they are tired of the poopty players currently on their roster (in general, top 3 picks of the draft omitting).

You listed guys like Cowen, Wiercoch and Lerhner. For me, Cowen looks pretty poop and PW looks OK as a 5th/6th dman.Lerhner, I'm not impressed with, but I trust you guy's opinion more than mine on him cos I probably only saw the rough times.

Guys like Stone, Lazar, Hoffman, Puempel are being inserted in the lineup. Honestly, every organization has guys like this. They have done nothing at the NHL level.

I'm not having a go ay Sens fans, honestly, Leafs fans are the same.

We already have fans proclaiming Finn, Percy, Verhague, Nylander, Loov, Bibeau, Jonnson and Connor Brown are finally going to lead us to the promised land. Do you know why? It's because they are a shiny new toy we can pin our hopes to to end our torture.

And, if you haven't heard of those guys, don't worry. Every single team have them. In Ottawa they do by Lazar, Stone, Hoffman, Puempel and the dman you drafted this year.

In other organizations they go by other names

P.s. this is on a phone so sorry about the spelling errors and stuff

edmonton, florida, buffalo
- tuna99

Yes. I named those teams in the last post.

But pleeeease.... so you're saying.

RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Draisaitl, Schultz, Marincin+

OVER

Turris, Zibanejad, Lazar, Karlsson, Lehner, Cowen, Puempel, Weircioch+

I'd say Ottawa has better depth and diversity of potential; IF you take EDM, that's probably one of the only teams.

Barkov, Huberdeau, Bjugstad, Ekblad, Kulikov, Gudbranson, Matheson+

Great group but no thanks. Same goes for Buffalo