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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 1 @ 4:27 PM ET
Looks like he's got a nice shot. Granted, against Swedish competition goaltending wise, but you never know.
- KGBflyers10


Yeah, all those terrible Swedish goalies...
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 1 @ 4:50 PM ET
Yeah, all those terrible Swedish goalies...
- Tomahawk

too bad they're not nhl goalies
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Aug 1 @ 4:51 PM ET
Wait....was there a shot of him partying in a suit, post game, with his hockey helmet still on after a big victory????? Or did I imagine that?

Already, I want to be friends with this guy.

- johndewar


No it was real. Ahh the style of the French. Nothing like wearing a helmet when you know you are going to get wasted. Very continental. Hes like a guy from a mens league partying in his gear after winning a C division championship
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 1 @ 4:51 PM ET


johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 1 @ 4:58 PM ET



- Tomahawk


I found myself nodding in the affirmative through the entire lecture.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 1 @ 5:05 PM ET
so what would you give up for PK?
Steelmanpa
Joined: 08.31.2008

Aug 1 @ 5:21 PM ET
I found myself nodding in the affirmative through the entire lecture.
- johndewar


I like the part where he said the chart was dynamic and the points slide around, or the woman could appear in other parts of the chart.

Wonderful how the guy kept a straight face through the whole thing
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 1 @ 5:30 PM ET
so what would you give up for PK?
- Crimsoninja

A whole poopload. Simmonds & Morin to start, would consider a high pick, as well
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 1 @ 5:36 PM ET
so what would you give up for PK?
- Crimsoninja


An asset like P.K. will be expensive, 12-18 teams will likely make legit offers.

With that in mind, I'd offer:
Couturier
Streit
Hagg
2015 1st

Sign him to a 1 year, 7 mil deal and sign him to an extension during the season (a handshake deal could be done now)

If they still need cap room come October, move Grossmann and let one of the kids compete with Schultz for the last spot.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 1 @ 5:40 PM ET
An asset like P.K. will be expensive, 12-18 teams will likely make legit offers.

With that in mind, I'd offer:
Couturier
Streit
Hagg
2015 1st

Sign him to a 1 year, 7 mil deal and sign him to an extension during the season (a handshake deal could be done now)

If they still need cap room come October, move Grossmann and let one of the kids compete with Schultz for the last spot.

- BiggE


Why wait to sign the multi year deal?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Aug 1 @ 5:42 PM ET
so what would you give up for PK?
- Crimsoninja

Coburn, couturier and a pick
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 1 @ 5:43 PM ET
Why wait to sign the multi year deal?
- MJL


Cap flexibility
At 8-9, they'd be in a tight spot for 14-15. They'll have more room to work with starting in 15-16.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 1 @ 5:48 PM ET
Cap flexibility
At 8-9, they'd be in a tight spot for 14-15. They'll have more room to work with starting in 15-16.

- BiggE


So you're saying sign him to a one year deal for 7M this year, and then a multi year deal for 8-9 during the season?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 1 @ 6:13 PM ET
Coburn, couturier and a pick
- mayorofangrytown


Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 1 @ 6:13 PM ET

- ob18

omg (frank) picks!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 1 @ 6:14 PM ET
omg (frank) picks!
- Crimsoninja


Must keep them & get more sir.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 1 @ 6:18 PM ET
omg (frank) picks!
- Crimsoninja


Win now baby
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 1 @ 6:26 PM ET
we're not trading couturier at all
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 1 @ 6:27 PM ET
Must keep them & get more sir.
- ob18

trade them all forever please god
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Aug 1 @ 6:33 PM ET

- ob18

Subban for Coburn, Laughton for Couturier, screw the 2nd round pick.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 1 @ 7:05 PM ET
I will pray for the love connection then.
Thanks for looking up the stats!

- FlyersGrace


You can see them for yourself here.

http://stats.hockeyanalys...ue&season=2013-14&sit=5v5

But CF% alone is far from the whole story. Pretty much every Flyers fan I've seen online agreed that Gus-Schenn was a better pairing than Meszaros-Schenn. And yet Gus- Schenn was at 48.1 CF% and Mez-Schenn was 49.8 CF%.

You might recall Mez-Schenn being a bit of a gong show defensively, and that is backed up by the goals for stat. Gus-Schenn had a healthy 58.1 GF%, while Mez-Schenn was only 48.4 GF% because that pairing let in 44% more goals per 20 minutes. That reflects a huge difference in the quality of shots allowed.

Mac-Schenn had an even lower GF% of 45.5%, but this was due to anemic goal scoring while they were paired together. They actually let in far fewer goals per 20 minutes than Gus-Schenn or Mez-Schenn did.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 1 @ 7:11 PM ET
so what would you give up for PK?
- Crimsoninja

Video games
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 1 @ 7:15 PM ET
Video games
- Giroux_Is_God


Interesting
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 1 @ 7:16 PM ET
we're not trading couturier at all
- 2Real



schenn in place of couturier

cout stays
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Aug 1 @ 7:50 PM ET
I would be patient and wait the year or two for him to be an UFA should he not sign long term. I don't think giving up a player like Coots and some defense and possibly some picks/prospects helps us any. MTL is going to want the mother load for this guy.

A player like Weber or Doughty I would do it for, I'm just not IN LOVE with PK as alot of people are.
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