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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Aug 7 @ 3:32 PM ET
Hamels claimed off waivers by the Cubs. Which essentially means nothing at this point
- TobyFlenderson



(frank)ing baseball's trade deadlines confuse me.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 3:32 PM ET
Hamels claimed off waivers by the Cubs. Which essentially means nothing at this point
- TobyFlenderson

Well, at least a team with a huge prospect pool claimed him
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Aug 7 @ 3:33 PM ET
Why not claim him? Nothing to lose. They just low ball RAJ and hope he's dumb enough to accept
- PhillySportsGuy

That's true. They have the money to pay for his contract too. I just don't see Amaro, as dumb as he is, budging from a king's ransom. Maybe a deal gets worked out in the offseason.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Aug 7 @ 3:34 PM ET
Well, at least a team with a huge prospect pool claimed him
- Giroux_Is_God

No doubt about it. I think like 7 of their top 10 prospects are in Baseball America's top 50.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 7 @ 3:37 PM ET
No doubt about it. I think like 7 of their top 10 prospects are in Baseball America's top 50.
- TobyFlenderson


They just brought up the guy Baez. They have Russell and Bryant who are both top10 prospects in baseball. Both are shortstops too
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Aug 7 @ 3:40 PM ET
They just brought up the guy Baez. They have Russell and Bryant who are both top10 prospects in baseball. Both are shortstops too
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah, I think Bryant is third int the most recent list. I'd kill to have him but I doubt the Cubs give him up. Think Castro may be available with Baez and Russell not too far away?
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Aug 7 @ 3:40 PM ET
Well, at least a team with a huge prospect pool claimed him
- Giroux_Is_God

You rang?

Oh. Nevermind.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 7 @ 3:42 PM ET
Yeah, I think Bryant is third int the most recent list. I'd kill to have him but I doubt the Cubs give him up. Think Castro may be available with Baez and Russell not too far away?
- TobyFlenderson


Castro is definitely available. Not sure I want him though. He'd need to reach the phillies on waivers in order for a deal to occur now. Phillies are bad but they aren't the worst team in baseball. Another team may claim him before the Phillies
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 3:43 PM ET
(frank)ing baseball's trade deadlines confuse me.
- Nucker101

The deadline that passed last week was the non waiver deadline. So trades before that could happen like they do in hockey- call up the GM, say I want this guy, and sort a trade out.

However, teams can trade after this deadline by explicitly using waivers. A player is put on waivers to test the waters. Using Hamels as an example, he was placed on waivers to see if anyone would claim him. The claiming process to my understanding is the same as hockey. The Cubs claimed him. The Phils have a choice now- they can pull him off waivers like nothing ever happened (like a just kidding type thing), or they have I think 24 or 48 hours to pull a trade with the team that claimed him.

If no one claims him, then he can be DFA'd etc etc, but most times nothing happens and life goes on, since the bigger names are the ones that go on waivers at this point. i.e. the Phils aren't going to be DFAing Hamels.

It's dumb, but the way it works.

After this deadline passes, which is eventually (don't know the date) trades of any kind can't be made to my knowledge.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 7 @ 3:44 PM ET


sigh
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 3:44 PM ET
Why not claim him? Nothing to lose. They just low ball RAJ and hope he's dumb enough to accept
- PhillySportsGuy

Oh and he'll accept
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 7 @ 3:45 PM ET
I would take Romo over Flacco
- PhillySportsGuy


Big fan of losing in the playoffs?
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Aug 7 @ 3:45 PM ET
Castro is definitely available. Not sure I want him though. He'd need to reach the phillies on waivers in order for a deal to occur now. Phillies are bad but they aren't the worst team in baseball. Another team may claim him before the Phillies
- PhillySportsGuy

Yep, waivers definitely complicate things. Plus, the Cubs are on Hamels' no trade list. Hopefully something gets done in the winter. Side note: the Phillies starter for tonight has yet to be announced since Fausto was traded.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 7 @ 3:46 PM ET
Yeah, the only people who ignore or hate on advanced stats are those who don't fully understand how to use them. It's more than just Corsi.
- Nucker101


I understand that people might take offense toward increasingly esoteric descriptions of the game, but the numbers right now are about as harmless/uncomplicated/conventional as anything in the old box score.

There are certainly interpretations of the numbers that people could justifiably find unsettling, but the numbers themselves are nothing more than simple shots and numerical descriptions of how Coach X prefers to use Player X.

Save the righteous indignation for when they start coming out w/ the real crazy poop.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 7 @ 3:46 PM ET
The deadline that passed last week was the non waiver deadline. So trades before that could happen like they do in hockey- call up the GM, say I want this guy, and sort a trade out.

However, teams can trade after this deadline by explicitly using waivers. A player is put on waivers to test the waters. Using Hamels as an example, he was placed on waivers to see if anyone would claim him. The claiming process to my understanding is the same as hockey. The Cubs claimed him. The Phils have a choice now- they can pull him off waivers like nothing ever happened (like a just kidding type thing), or they have I think 24 or 48 hours to pull a trade with the team that claimed him.

If no one claims him, then he can be DFA'd etc etc, but most times nothing happens and life goes on, since the bigger names are the ones that go on waivers at this point. i.e. the Phils aren't going to be DFAing Hamels.

It's dumb, but the way it works.

After this deadline passes, which is eventually (don't know the date) trades of any kind can't be made to my knowledge.

- Giroux_Is_God


Trades can still be made in September but those players acquired are not playoff eligible because they weren't on the 40 man roster September 1st
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 3:47 PM ET
Trades can still be made in September but those players acquired are not playoff eligible because they weren't on the 40 man roster September 1st
- PhillySportsGuy

There ya have it folks.

Is this using the waiver system still?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 7 @ 3:48 PM ET
Big fan of losing in the playoffs?
- Feanor


He's better than Flacco
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 7 @ 3:49 PM ET
There ya have it folks.

Is this using the waiver system still?

- Giroux_Is_God


Yes. Wait until you learn about the mlb draft and the slotting system
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 7 @ 3:51 PM ET
Takes me right back......

That team was so much fun to watch get good...

- johndewar



and here's the Haller OT goal:

listen at 3:55. i've never heard dorney yell like that before. i'm

in watching a lot of these clips from the 95 and 97 series, i'm amazed at how much offense was contributed by haller, dykhuis, yushkevich etc....

and so many oddman rushes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OskLZjw6ctw
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 7 @ 3:52 PM ET
sigh
- -davies-


seriously.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 7 @ 3:55 PM ET
He's better than Flacco
- PhillySportsGuy


Laces out.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 3:58 PM ET
Yes. Wait until you learn about the mlb draft and the slotting system
- PhillySportsGuy

Slotting system? I sort of know about this stuff.

And then you have the rule 5 draft and all that poop.

Baseball is weird.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 7 @ 4:00 PM ET
If Giroux and Mason go down for extended periods of time, we're gonna learn the Central Scouting rankings around here real fast.
- johndewar

I think the team is good enough to play infront of Emery for an extended period of time. In fact they already have. The key to this team's success is Giroux. Giroux is irreplaceable to this team.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 7 @ 4:03 PM ET
Eagles will win the World Series.

Prove me wrong.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 7 @ 4:06 PM ET
Eagles will win the World Series.

Prove me wrong.

- jmatchett383

Given:
Baseball = World Series
Football = Super Bowl
Eagles = Football
Phillies = Baseball

Therefore:

Baseball = World Series = Phillies
Football = Super Bowl = Eagles

Conclusion:
It can be inferred the Eagles and the World Series are unrelated, and thus the Eagles cannot win the World Series.

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