Not exactly. The player's team places him on waivers. Then, with the waiver order in effect, teams have X hours to place a claim. Whoever claims him highest in the order gets negotiating rights with the team to trade for that player.

At that point, the team that put the player on waivers in the first place can litrilly say "just kidding" and life goes on like nothing happened. Or, they can organize a trade.

So to go back to your example, the Phillies only have a chance at claiming/trading for Trout if the Angels place him on waivers. But even then, he would be claimed by a higher team in the waiver order, ya know?
- Giroux_Is_God

Can we trade Amaro for a bucket of donkey pee and future considerations?

Holy poop guys, you've been all over every sport since I've been gone expect for soccer, tennis, golf, and badminton... JEEZ.
- FlyersGrace

well soccer isn't a sport so...

He's RH and is decent on FO's... he's not terrible defensively, either.

But yeah... him and Stortini... real head scratcher signings.
- Tomahawk

Eric Engels just tweeted he feels the discipline thing is overblown. I generally trust Eric's opinions, but the PIM total and stuff I have have me a bit leery.

I get that he's a depth signing and likely a Phantom. But if you're trying to purge discipline at the NHL level, why stockpile it in the AHL? Especially if you're going to be using the AHL team more for development than you have in many years

The Flyers have publicly said they want to do a better job at puck possession and get more disciplined, yet just about every move they have made this summer is a step back in one or both of those areas.

I could see white being signed as a Phantom, though...it is a two way deal
- Jsaquella

how is acquiring Del Zotto a step backwards for that? and getting rid of mopnell

He's RH and is decent on FO's... he's not terrible defensively, either.

But yeah... him and Stortini... real head scratcher signings.
- Tomahawk

stortini is a plug for the phantoms nothing to worry about

The Flyers have publicly said they want to do a better job at puck possession and get more disciplined, yet just about every move they have made this summer is a step back in one or both of those areas.

I could see white being signed as a Phantom, though...it is a two way deal
- Jsaquella

Outside of how I feel about our young D prospects, I feel exactly the same as I did the day Hartnell was traded. I hope people are aware Hextall was an assistant GM, not the GM that won a Cup in LA.

The Flyers have publicly said they want to do a better job at puck possession and get more disciplined, yet just about every move they have made this summer is a step back in one or both of those areas.

I could see white being signed as a Phantom, though...it is a two way deal
- Jsaquella

Yeah as the 14th forward/1st call up, well I won't lose sleep over that

Eric Engels just tweeted he feels the discipline thing is overblown. I generally trust Eric's opinions, but the PIM total and stuff I have have me a bit leery.

I get that he's a depth signing and likely a Phantom. But if you're trying to purge discipline at the NHL level, why stockpile it in the AHL? Especially if you're going to be using the AHL team more for development than you have in many years
- Jsaquella

it's a fair point. the only reason I can think is that their farm isn't all that deep anyway, especially at forward, so there is plenty of room for guys like these that will be 2-way players with limited NHL (if any) minutes

Eric Engels just tweeted he feels the discipline thing is overblown. I generally trust Eric's opinions, but the PIM total and stuff I have have me a bit leery.

I get that he's a depth signing and likely a Phantom. But if you're trying to purge discipline at the NHL level, why stockpile it in the AHL? Especially if you're going to be using the AHL team more for development than you have in many years
- Jsaquella

If he sticks, he is a bit better of a plug than the plugs we've already got.

If he gets sent down, I'm sure Allentown will appreciate the added "entertainment" for their inaugural season.

He's RH and is decent on FO's... he's not terrible defensively, either.

But yeah... him and Stortini... real head scratcher signings.
- Tomahawk

Really don't get why they just didn't re-sign Hall for this role, but oh well

The Flyers have publicly said they want to do a better job at puck possession and get more disciplined, yet just about every move they have made this summer is a step back in one or both of those areas.

I could see white being signed as a Phantom, though...it is a two way deal
- Jsaquella

Maybe they view him as a more versatile 13th forward than Rosehill

Can we trade Amaro for a bucket of donkey pee and future considerations?
- BiggE

Please

how is acquiring Del Zotto a step backwards for that? and getting rid of mopnell
- 2Real

Del Zotto has been a negative possession player in all but one of the last four seasons. His team tends to generate a lot of shots when he is on, but they also allow a lot.

Hartnell is a good possession player. Part of it comes from spending a lot of time with Giroux and Voracek, but he had positive numbers with other players, as well. Possession metrics being what they are, the guys they brought in have not been as good as the ones leaving, either by trade or injury.

The discipline is better with Hartnell gone and Umberger in.

Outside of how I feel about our young D prospects, I feel exactly the same as I did the day Hartnell was traded. I hope people are aware Hextall was an assistant GM, not the GM that won a Cup in LA.
- SuperSchennBros

the hartnell moved screamed of the purge to rebuild sooner than later. Lombardi was GM, but he sang high praise for Hextall. Apparently he is a good evaluator of junior talent.

it's a fair point. the only reason I can think is that their farm isn't all that deep anyway, especially at forward, so there is plenty of room for guys like these that will be 2-way players with limited NHL (if any) minutes
- Hesh_

I can think of a couple reasons:
1. They fight a lot more in the AHL than the NHL
2. They want to surround prospects like Ghost and Hagg with muscle to keep other minor league goons from running them

BTW, I'm not panicking or losing sleep over the White addition. Never realized that making an observation and looking at several factors was panic. It's not a big deal, but it also runs counter to stated team objectives.

BTW, I'm not panicking or losing sleep over the White addition. Never realized that making an observation and looking at several factors was panic. It's not a big deal, but it also runs counter to stated team objectives.
- Jsaquella

Haven't you learned yet? Each and every move the Flyers make, no matter how big or small, is cause for mindless panic, severe condemnation and the end of the world as we know it.

Well at least around here it is.

Del Zotto has been a negative possession player in all but one of the last four seasons. His team tends to generate a lot of shots when he is on, but they also allow a lot.

Hartnell is a good possession player. Part of it comes from spending a lot of time with Giroux and Voracek, but he had positive numbers with other players, as well. Possession metrics being what they are, the guys they brought in have not been as good as the ones leaving, either by trade or injury.

The discipline is better with Hartnell gone and Umberger in.
- Jsaquella

Del Zotto is also a young player and they make mistakes. Who says he doesn't improve with different partners as well?

the hartnell moved screamed of the purge to rebuild sooner than later. Lombardi was GM, but he sang high praise for Hextall. Apparently he is a good evaluator of junior talent.
- Hesh_

I don't see how the Hartnell deal screams rebuild.

Del Zotto is also a young player and they make mistakes. Who says he doesn't improve with different partners as well?
- 2Real

Nobody. Going off past trends and performance. Whose to say White doesn't come in and score 50 goals? Based on his past trends, it's not likely

BTW, I'm not panicking or losing sleep over the White addition. Never realized that making an observation and looking at several factors was panic. It's not a big deal, but it also runs counter to stated team objectives.
- Jsaquella

Ryan White is capable of playing 4th line center which means to me instantly that...I'm sure someone else can spell this out.

Ryan White is capable of playing 4th line center which means to me instantly that...I'm sure someone else can spell this out.
- SuperSchennBros

He's probably a guy who can play there while Laughton gets AHL time. It's not a big deal.

I don't see how the Hartnell deal screams rebuild.
- SuperSchennBros

I said sooner than later.

it's only because he ousted a 5 year deal (which was likely gonna be bad news in about 2-3 years if not sooner) in exchange for a 3 year deal that will come off the books.

Really don't get why they just didn't re-sign Hall for this role, but oh well
- BiggE

I think White's in direct competition w/ Rinaldo for job/role, more than anybody. I'm praying he knocks him out... White actually has a modicum of talent... Zac is beer league.

the hartnell moved screamed of the purge to rebuild sooner than later. Lombardi was GM, but he sang high praise for Hextall. Apparently he is a good evaluator of junior talent.
- Hesh_

I dont see the need for a full rebuild. We have a lot of young, promising dmen spread pretty evenly between the NHL, AHL, and juniors. We have a lot of really good young forwards in the NHL, with a few promising prospects coming up. We have a promising, if not already really good young starting goalie with a great complimenting goalie as backup, and a pretty good prospect. And we're still a playoff team that tends to play better down the stretch and in tough situations. I dont see anything that signals that we need a rebuild.