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-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 11 @ 2:30 PM ET
He's done fine so far.
- PLindbergh31



borrrring
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 11 @ 2:37 PM ET
Serious question. I don't get the lack of love by some posters for Brayden Schenn. He is 22 years old, he scored 20 goals. Overall that is a pretty good player at $2.5m.

There are some guys who are ready to show him the door. He plays really good D. Does anybody have an idea of where the negatives come from?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
Serious question. I don't get the lack of love by some posters for Brayden Schenn. He is 22 years old, he scored 20 goals. Overall that is a pretty good player at $2.5m.

There are some guys who are ready to show him the door. He plays really good D. Does anybody have an idea of where the negatives come from?

- spatso



I don't think this is necessarily true. I think there is a good portion of the fans in here anyway who believe he could be used as a chip to get a very good player in return.

The thing is, he is a passable defensive player, which is why I believe he is better suited to wing.

I wouldn't trade him unless the return was comparable. And it makes sense in some ways if we were able to move him for a top pair (or solid all around top 4 plus) defenseman. Especially with Giroux, Couturier, and possibly Laughton here for the long haul. Its nothing against Schenn, I think he is a very good player, and I wouldn't move him unless it made us better.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
Serious question. I don't get the lack of love by some posters for Brayden Schenn. He is 22 years old, he scored 20 goals. Overall that is a pretty good player at $2.5m.

There are some guys who are ready to show him the door. He plays really good D. Does anybody have an idea of where the negatives come from?

- spatso

he supposed to be the next Mike Richards.
Richards had a 75 point season at 22
Schenn = bust
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 11 @ 2:46 PM ET
I think we have to wait a while before we can judge Hextall. I hope first and foremost he doesn't trade draft picks for band aid rentals. That's a recipe for disaster.

Hextall didn't inherit a situation with enough cap space for him to go out and make any impact signings. The signing of Del Zotto happened out of necessity due to the uncertainty with Timonen.

- PLindbergh31


Not sure. I wonder if they would have signed him regardless.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Aug 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
NO JUDGE HIM NOW
- -davies-

The only thing I like so far is that he's holding off on the Lecavalier trade until someone will take him without leaving a stain on our cap. At least I believe that's what he's doing. Everything else is pretty meh.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 11 @ 2:50 PM ET
he supposed to be the next Mike Richards.
Richards had a 75 point season at 22
Schenn = bust

- Crimsoninja






Total bust. They should just release him.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Aug 11 @ 2:52 PM ET
The only thing I like so far is that he's holding off on the Lecavalier trade until someone will take him without leaving a stain on our cap. At least I believe that's what he's doing. Everything else is pretty meh.
- mayorofangrytown


This all day! I just think Hexy is hoping he regains form and is a good chip for a playoff team that is weak down the middle or needs a Center due to injury. Then we'll have poeople smash him for moving him out right before the playoffs start even if it is the right thing to do to unburden the contract.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
he supposed to be the next Mike Richards.
Richards had a 75 point season at 22
Schenn = bust

- Crimsoninja



I have always liked him. I think Hextall is probably high on him as well. Guys like Schenn spread through your line up are what helped LA win a Stanley Cup. Goal scorers are great and they earn the big dollars. But you need guys who can also take care of their own end.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 11 @ 2:56 PM ET
borrrring
- -davies-

I was really hoping for some kind of spiel about serving up rotting old umbergers or something, maybe with plenty of egg on the side (from his face, get it?)
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 11 @ 2:57 PM ET
Serious question. I don't get the lack of love by some posters for Brayden Schenn. He is 22 years old, he scored 20 goals. Overall that is a pretty good player at $2.5m.

There are some guys who are ready to show him the door. He plays really good D. Does anybody have an idea of where the negatives come from?

- spatso


Hes ok. There's nothing about his game that is standing out right now. Not much speed, average size, average passing, decent shot, below average positioning, he still goes for the big hit a little much. He took a step in improving his defensive game, but still has a ways to go in that department. Saw a lot of offensive zone starts and sheltered minutes, but to his credit he was moved around the lineup quite a bit.

20 goals yes, vinny potted 20 too. 2.5 you could argue is on the high side, but everyone is looking forward to his upcoming year
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 11 @ 2:57 PM ET
I don't think this is necessarily true. I think there is a good portion of the fans in here anyway who believe he could be used as a chip to get a very good player in return.

The thing is, he is a passable defensive player, which is why I believe he is better suited to wing.

I wouldn't trade him unless the return was comparable. And it makes sense in some ways if we were able to move him for a top pair (or solid all around top 4 plus) defenseman. Especially with Giroux, Couturier, and possibly Laughton here for the long haul. Its nothing against Schenn, I think he is a very good player, and I wouldn't move him unless it made us better.

- MBFlyerfan



Geez, he scored 3 goals less than Bobby Ryan and is 5 years younger. I think some Flyer fans let their emotions take over their hockey head.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 11 @ 2:57 PM ET
I have always liked him. I think Hextall is probably high on him as well. Guys like Schenn spread through your line up are what helped LA win a Stanley Cup. Goal scorers are great and they earn the big dollars. But you need guys who can also take care of their own end.
- spatso


Your overvaluing his defensive game right now
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 11 @ 2:58 PM ET
Not sure. I wonder if they would have signed him regardless.
- Just5


Who knows. With Timonen's status up in the air, it became a no brainer. He's a cheap young option with some upside. If Timonen comes back, and MDZ is playing well, who will be the odd man out?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
Who knows. With Timonen's status up in the air, it became a no brainer. He's a cheap young option with some upside. If Timonen comes back, and MDZ is playing well, who will be the odd man out?
- PLindbergh31


My wife's a nurse. She's pretty sure he's done. Seems pretty serious
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 11 @ 3:08 PM ET
My wife's a nurse. She's pretty sure he's done. Seems pretty serious
- Just5


With most guys I would agree. If anyone can come back from it is Timonen. He doesn't strike me as a player that wants to go out on anything other than his own terms.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 11 @ 3:10 PM ET
he supposed to be the next Mike Richards.
Richards had a 75 point season at 22
Schenn = bust

- Crimsoninja



you made me look...
schenn's 2nd year #s are pretty on par w/ritchie's 2nd year #s
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 11 @ 3:15 PM ET
Serious question. I don't get the lack of love by some posters for Brayden Schenn. He is 22 years old, he scored 20 goals. Overall that is a pretty good player at $2.5m.

There are some guys who are ready to show him the door. He plays really good D. Does anybody have an idea of where the negatives come from?

- spatso


He was drafted 5th overall in his draft year and was acquired after trading away a pretty popular player. The bar was high for Schenn coming in.

And frankly, it's unclear what Brayden Schenn does really well. He scored 20 goals, but went a LONG stretch at the end of the season without a goal. He's not a great faceoff guy.

That said, I don't want to see him shipped out as if he only 22. There are statistical comparisons where he seems to match up favorably with some good players when they were at his age. As such, I want to see his development play out.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Aug 11 @ 3:16 PM ET
Serious question. I don't get the lack of love by some posters for Brayden Schenn. He is 22 years old, he scored 20 goals. Overall that is a pretty good player at $2.5m.

There are some guys who are ready to show him the door. He plays really good D. Does anybody have an idea of where the negatives come from?

- spatso


It's like more or less any other player in another organization who doesn't get the love outsiders think they deserve. When you're in another city and look at strictly numbers, you scratch your head. When you watch him day in and day out, you get to see a bigger picture.

I'll preface this by saying BSchenn has grown considerably since he got here and hopefully will continue to do so. That said, he has his shortcomings that are, say, concerning to some.

As a center, he's not a great passer, below average on faceoffs, and he doesn't necessarily make his wingers better, is an average skater, has average shot scoring most of his goals in and around the crease area. He's not terrific defensively and tends to be invisible for long stretches of time. He plays a power forward game in a less that power forward's body.

Again, he's taken great strides to become a more well rounded player but still has a way to go.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 11 @ 3:17 PM ET
you made me look...
schenn's 2nd year #s are pretty on par w/ritchie's 2nd year #s

- -davies-

i think i had that right about him being 22 during that 75pt season tho, no? my math skills are legendarily bad
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 11 @ 3:18 PM ET
Serious question. I don't get the lack of love by some posters for Brayden Schenn. He is 22 years old, he scored 20 goals. Overall that is a pretty good player at $2.5m.

There are some guys who are ready to show him the door. He plays really good D. Does anybody have an idea of where the negatives come from?

- spatso


Impatience
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Aug 11 @ 3:23 PM ET
i think i had that right about him being 22 during that 75pt season, no? my math skills are legendarily bad
- Crimsoninja



he turned 23 in february of that year
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 11 @ 3:27 PM ET
Serious question. I don't get the lack of love by some posters for Brayden Schenn. He is 22 years old, he scored 20 goals. Overall that is a pretty good player at $2.5m.

There are some guys who are ready to show him the door. He plays really good D. Does anybody have an idea of where the negatives come from?

- spatso



It's just the impatience of some fans. Although I don't agree that he plays really defense really good. That's an area where he needs improvement.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 11 @ 3:31 PM ET
It's like more or less any other player in another organization who doesn't get the love outsiders think they deserve. When you're in another city and look at strictly numbers, you scratch your head. When you watch him day in and day out, you get to see a bigger picture.

I'll preface this by saying BSchenn has grown considerably since he got here and hopefully will continue to do so. That said, he has his shortcomings that are, say, concerning to some.

As a center, he's not a great passer, below average on faceoffs, and he doesn't necessarily make his wingers better, is an average skater, has average shot scoring most of his goals in and around the crease area. He's not terrific defensively and tends to be invisible for long stretches of time. He plays a power forward game in a less that power forward's body.

Again, he's taken great strides to become a more well rounded player but still has a way to go.

- 77rams


I liked that first paragraph alot.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 11 @ 3:32 PM ET
I think when it comes to schenn it is not that Flyers fans don't like him. Its more of the fact that he is the most tradeable asset that fans are willing to move. They prefer to keep players like Couturier, Read, Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek, Laughton and the d prospects. Its not that they think Schenn isn't a good player. If I were to be getting back an equally young defenseman with future franchise d potential I am ok making the move. You have to give to get. And I think it is a little easier to replace forwards. But the point is I don't think it is a "not liking him" thing but more a " prefer him to others" thing.
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