Raffl has always been the wild card to me. I guess it's a good thing to be able to move up and down the lines, but I wish there was a perfect spot for him. But like I said, versatility isn't a bad thing.

As for the Bogo scenario: I, personally, would wait and see how our current D starts out the year. If another team makes a move for him and acquires him, so be it. I just have a gut feeling the Jets are going to want Coburn in return and that I am not willing to do.

Or not brought in MacDonald at all.
- flyer_nutter

I like macdonald.


I also think that a full offseason and preseason for berube is a good thing. I think this team will surprise the naysayers as some of the young guys take it to the next level, the team plays more disciplined, and an added bonus having so few offseason moves should assist team chemistry.

Bogo is....


- 2Real

Cold World is terrible.

I'd consider it for either player. I'd prefer Read though. I seriously caution trading Schenn... reminds me a bit of the JVR situation (who schenn's stats and injury history are similar to). I'd hate to see us give up another forward ready to break out for a Dman with 'potential'. been there, done that once. It was Homer's only regretable trade imo.
- moylander

A first rounder for Steve Eminger

A first rounder for Steve Eminger
- jmatchett383

lol... and that one too

I'd probably do the Schenns for Bogosian, assuming nothing else was added. It's a stiff price, but it provides the Flyers with a very good young defenseman with a load of potential. The money works out well and it does open a center spot to place Lecavalier at his preferred spot.
- Jsaquella

Does putting Laughton on the roster play into this type of move?

It was Homer's only regretable trade imo
- moylander

I think you need to relive this list once more, lol:

http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin/trade.cgi

"If" he puts it together.....

We already have one of those, don't we?

/looks at Luke Schenn
- johndewar

Luke Schenn doesn't have the skating ability, skills or potential Bogosian has

A first rounder for Steve Eminger
- jmatchett383

Versteeg, Gagne, Carcillo and Kubina weren't killers, but there were a lot of picks lost for next to nothing.

I thought Homer's trades were pretty good for the most part. He was a bit too frivolous with draft picks though.

I think you need to relive this list once more, lol:

http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin/trade.cgi


- Tomahawk

Like any GM who holds a job for 6 or 7 years there's good and bad moves.


The trouble here is, if you criticize any of them, you're being overly critical and using hindsight to judge it.

Versteeg, Gagne, Carcillo and Kubina weren't killers, but there were a lot of picks lost for next to nothing.

I thought Homer's trades were pretty good for the most part. He was a bit too frivolous with draft picks though.
- PhillySportsGuy

He made 3 picks in the second round over the course of his run as GM. At least towards the end he managed to recoup some picks, but even next year, they lack a second

He made 3 picks in the second round over the course of his run as GM. At least towards the end he managed to recoup some picks, but even next year, they lack a second
- Jsaquella

I think there's pretty much two different era's in Holmgren's tenure as a GM. One where they had a contending team and a lot of moves were made to try and win. You can certainly look back at deals made and criticize them. Such as trading 2nd rounders, and trading a first for Versteeg. In the long run, those moves didn't pay off. Personally, I want the GM of my team to be aggressive and go for it if they think they have a chance to win the Cup. And they almost got there. I'm fine with all of that.
Then there is the second era where the genesis of that, was the Richards/Carter deals that were made for a variety of reasons. In that era, Holmgren pretty much stuck with the young future core that he built, and was far more focused on the future and not making win now moves.
Overall, Holmgren was a good GM, not a great one. Made some bad moves, made some good moves. Made a lot of good moves. My view of Holmgren's tenure as a GM is very positive. And he had put the team in a good position going forward. Let's see if Hextall can add to it and make the finishing moves.

He made 3 picks in the second round over the course of his run as GM. At least towards the end he managed to recoup some picks, but even next year, they lack a second
- Jsaquella

I think one major difference between Hexy and Homer is Hexy's ability to acquire those mid round picks. It didn't seem like Homer valued picks after the 1st round very much. Hexy makes sure to get teams to throw in a pick in most trades.

I think one major difference between Hexy and Homer is Hexy's ability to acquire those mid round picks. It didn't seem like Homer valued picks after the 1st round very much. Hexy makes sure to get teams to throw in a pick in most trades.
- PhillySportsGuy

He's only made two.

He's only made two.
- mayorofangrytown

And they both brought back picks!

I think one major difference between Hexy and Homer is Hexy's ability to acquire those mid round picks. It didn't seem like Homer valued picks after the 1st round very much. Hexy makes sure to get teams to throw in a pick in most trades.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well, so far it's only been two. But I do think Hextall will be less likely to toss picks around, at least until he seems the Flyers as a first tier contender.

EDIT: For instance, I'm not sold Hextall would have made the MacDonald deal, moving valuable assets for a modest improvement in a team that wasn't a first tier contender.

I also doubt he would have added both Grossmann & Kubina in 2011. One, very likely, but not both.

I'm sure when he feels the team is a serious contender, he will be more aggressive.

I think one major difference between Hexy and Homer is Hexy's ability to acquire those mid round picks. It didn't seem like Homer valued picks after the 1st round very much. Hexy makes sure to get teams to throw in a pick in most trades.
- PhillySportsGuy

Hextall has made two trades in his life as a GM!

And they both brought back picks!
- PhillySportsGuy

Awwww man...

Hextall has made two trades in his life as a GM!
- MJL

It's about what he said too. He made clear there will be more of a focus on acquiring and keeping mid round picks.

Well, so far it's only been two. But I do think Hextall will be less likely to toss picks around, at least until he seems the Flyers as a first tier contender.

EDIT: For instance, I'm not sold Hextall would have made the MacDonald deal, moving valuable assets for a modest improvement in a team that wasn't a first tier contender.

I also doubt he would have added both Grossmann & Kubina in 2011. One, very likely, but not both.

I'm sure when he feels the team is a serious contender, he will be more aggressive.
- Jsaquella

I agree

Ediit: The Grossmann acquisition was necessary, but I didn't think Kubina was necessary. It was a little over the top to give up that many picks for just Kubina and Grossmann, two guys who were pending FAs.

Well, so far it's only been two. But I do think Hextall will be less likely to toss picks around, at least until he seems the Flyers as a first tier contender.

EDIT: For instance, I'm not sold Hextall would have made the MacDonald deal, moving valuable assets for a modest improvement in a team that wasn't a first tier contender.

I also doubt he would have added both Grossmann & Kubina in 2011. One, very likely, but not both.

I'm sure when he feels the team is a serious contender, he will be more aggressive.
- Jsaquella

And what is that based on? Hextall was the assistant GM when MacDonald was acquired. This is the problem I have with a lot of statements made. Why would Holmgren go out and get MacDonald if he is just a modest improvement? It seems like the book is already written by some on MacDonald as a Flyer. What's that's based on, I have no idea. But stating what Hextall would've or wouldn't have done is pure speculation with no basis for making it.

There is no track record of Hextall as a GM. But yet just on this page we've had statements of what Hextall does in trades, when he's made on major trade and one minor trade in his career as GM. And now statements on what he might have done.

It's about what he said too. He made clear there will be more of a focus on acquiring and keeping mid round picks.
- PhillySportsGuy

Statements made by a GM is not evidence of his ability to acquire mid round picks.

Statements made by a GM is not evidence of his ability to acquire mid round picks.
- MJL

I think you need to relive this list once more, lol:

http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin/trade.cgi


- Tomahawk

honestly - looking at that list the BIG trades are fine for the most part. even most of the little ones are solid - i.e powe for a 3rd. there are some bad ones (jvr, eminger, etc)

His recovery from 'mistakes' is pretty good as I review the link you posted.

For Example -

Gave up a 1st and 3rd for Versteeg, then traded him and drafted Ghost with the pick in return. (now look what the blackhawks gave up for versteeg and its baffling - J Hayes and Olson)

Picked up Leino for a 5th (served us well) then let him go FA where he bombed.

Gave up Bob for a 2nd and two 4ths where he drafted Stolarz and Leier. Then reacquired a Goalie by sending Leighton and a 3rd to CLB for Mason.

Reacquired Boucher, added Alt and gave away Pither. Basically a freebee to get Alt.

Acquired Mez for a 2nd, traded him for a 3rd.



He's not perfect but i think he was FAR from a bad GM

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