Out of morbid curiosity, can you name any contracts that the Flyers currently have that you would call bad contracts?
- jmatchett383

Nope! Homey don't do bad contracts.

Lovin those 17-0 where you were on blue fire the whole game
- Giroux_Is_God

I think you remember more about the game than I do. I remember playing weird people and checking them over the boards outdoors

I think you remember more about the game than I do. I remember playing weird people and checking them over the boards outdoors
- PhillySportsGuy

Wait, you could score in that game?

Nope! Homey don't do bad contracts.
- PLindbergh31

The guy who makes the popcorn at WFC is in line for a 900% pay-raise soon, I hear.

Wait, you could score in that game?
- jmatchett383

Yes. A lot at times

The guy who makes the popcorn at WFC is in line for a 900% pay-raise soon, I hear.
- Tomahawk

Amazing.

Wait, you could score in that game?
- jmatchett383

Only on 1 timers

Nope! Homey don't do bad contracts.
- PLindbergh31

When you said homey, I thought you were referring to MJL at first.

When you said homey, I thought you were referring to MJL at first.
- PhillySportsGuy

Nah... Get with the program PSG.

Only on 1 timers
- Giroux_Is_God

Wrap arounds worked too if you knew how to do it. Right hand shot from left side or right hand shot from left side always worked well too

The problem is he's signed for 5 more years at over $5M per year. Yes, IF he stays healthy and IF he turns into what his projection was, he's a big upgrade. However, IF he does not, he's just another bad, overpriced contract. So I'd say that right now, his contract is not reasonable for a dman of his caliber, it's more for the hoping what kind of dman he will become...which he may or may not ever become.

The fact that we'd have to give up value and hope that he stays healthy and becomes a #1 defenseman (which he has yet to show signs of) makes me very gun shy.
- jmatchett383

But i'll take those ifs on a 24 year old. Its not like he is 29 or 30. Right now MacDonald has 5.5 cap hit and he is essentially our 3rd pair dman with Schenn. The contract isn't a bad deal and if the cap keeps going up it just makes it better. I am ok taking my chance to get that potential future dman. We keep wanting one and might be the chance to grab someone who could be that guy

Wrap arounds worked too if you knew how to do it. Right hand shot from left side or right hand shot from left side always worked well too
- PhillySportsGuy

I think I play NHL14 the way that NHL hits is supposed to be played. Shea Weber and Chris Pronger have never attempted a poke check for me.

But i'll take those ifs on a 24 year old. Its not like he is 29 or 30. Right now MacDonald has 5.5 cap hit
- J35Bacher

5.

Wrap arounds worked too if you knew how to do it. Right hand shot from left side or right hand shot from left side always worked well too
- PhillySportsGuy

Don't forget the little manual juke move to the forhehand on a breakaway

But i'll take those ifs on a 24 year old. Its not like he is 29 or 30. Right now MacDonald has 5.5 cap hit and he is essentially our 3rd pair dman with Schenn. The contract isn't a bad deal and if the cap keeps going up it just makes it better. I am ok taking my chance to get that potential future dman. We keep wanting one and might be the chance to grab someone who could be that guy
- J35Bacher

We did that with Luke Schenn (who was just 2 picks behind him) who's turned out to be an NHL defenseman, but never blossomed. We gave up a young budding star forward for him. I'm not ready to do that again for a guy who's only 24 yet is injury prone, has yet to put up close to "star" numbers, and is signed to a hefty deal. If he was a UFA, then maybe. But I'm not keen on giving up hard assets for him.

I think BoGo is pretty much Braydon Coburn. He has the potential to be much more than Coburn, but that's also what we thought when we got Coburn (if you guys follow what I'm saying).
- jmatchett383

And the Flyers only gave up Alexei Zhitnik for Coburn.

I understand the market is different now, but just because the market is different doesn't mean you have to just give away assets for no reason.

I think I play NHL14 the way that NHL hits is supposed to be played. Shea Weber and Chris Pronger have never attempted a poke check for me.
- jmatchett383

The "new physics" in NHL14 was code for "anyone can light people up, no matter if their checking is 19 or 99"

We did that with Luke Schenn (who was just 2 picks behind him) who's turned out to be an NHL defenseman, but never blossomed. We gave up a young budding star forward for him. I'm not ready to do that again for a guy who's only 24 yet is injury prone, has yet to put up close to "star" numbers, and is signed to a hefty deal. If he was a UFA, then maybe. But I'm not keen on giving up hard assets for him.
- jmatchett383

I think Luke is different then Bogosian. I think Bogosian is more all-around thyen Luke. Yes we gave up JVR who looks good but also was replaceable. Look at what guys like Simmonds and Voracek and Simmonds have done with more ice time. Also schenn I don't think was scene as a future number one. Bogosian i think has the potential to be a franchise guy. Yes being healthy is key but at 24 i'll take that risk. Espcially if we plan to let our prospects season in the minors. Get bogosian and next year you can draft a forward. BUt then you can start to build a solid d group. You could have Bogosian, Coburn, Ghostisbeher, Haag, Morin, Alt possibly. I think forwards are asier to get then d so I am ok making that move this year if available.

I think I play NHL14 the way that NHL hits is supposed to be played. Shea Weber and Chris Pronger have never attempted a poke check for me.
- jmatchett383

You and Shea should get a room

You and Shea should get a room
- PhillySportsGuy

I so would.

I so would.
- jmatchett383

welp

I think Luke is different then Bogosian. I think Bogosian is more all-around thyen Luke. Yes we gave up JVR who looks good but also was replaceable. Look at what guys like Simmonds and Voracek and Simmonds have done with more ice time. Also schenn I don't think was scene as a future number one. Bogosian i think has the potential to be a franchise guy. Yes being healthy is key but at 24 i'll take that risk. Espcially if we plan to let our prospects season in the minors. Get bogosian and next year you can draft a forward. BUt then you can start to build a solid d group. You could have Bogosian, Coburn, Ghostisbeher, Haag, Morin, Alt possibly. I think forwards are asier to get then d so I am ok making that move this year if available.
- J35Bacher

First of all, the Flyers only have 1 Simmonds. Typo, I'm sure.

Secondly, both players were seen as #1 guys when they were drafted. You don't draft a guy 5th overall to be a 2nd pair player. Neither player has lived up to his billing as of yet. Bogosian had one really good year in juniors, was rushed to the NHL. Taking all of that into account, along with his injuries and price tag, makes me stay away unless we're getting immediate improvement. I don't think that he's an immediate upgrade to our roster. I'd rather keep both Schenn's.

I think BoGo is pretty much Braydon Coburn. He has the potential to be much more than Coburn, but that's also what we thought when we got Coburn (if you guys follow what I'm saying).
- jmatchett383

strictly looking at statistics, this is very true.
I posted Bogo linemates over the last 4 years because outside of Enstrom, he has never gotten to play with anyone as good as Kimo.
if he came here and played with coburn, it could be a VERY good combo.

And the Flyers only gave up Alexei Zhitnik for Coburn.

I understand the market is different now, but just because the market is different doesn't mean you have to just give away assets for no reason.
- johndewar

At the time of the trade, Zhitnik was still widely seen as a viable #2-3, all-situations guy. He put in 14 pts in 18 games post-trade.

I don't think I've ever seen another player's career end with such a thud before. In hindsight, it looks terrible for ATL, but at the time, it was a pretty decent hockey trade for them.

welp
- Giroux_Is_God

Compared to Shea Weber, everyone is a welp. That includes Hulk Hogan, God, Slap Chop Vince, Chara, and the combined assets of The United States Air Force.