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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 11 @ 11:30 AM ET
I so would.
- jmatchett383


Somewhere Flyersgod is weeping
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 11 @ 11:31 AM ET
Compared to Shea Weber, everyone is a welp. That includes Hulk Hogan, God, Slap Chop Vince, Chara, and the combined assets of The United States Air Force.
- jmatchett383

Slap chop vince
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 11 @ 11:32 AM ET
Somewhere Flyersgod is weeping
- PhillySportsGuy

Or talking about Obama, causing people to weep.

And so here we are. Full circle.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 11 @ 11:36 AM ET
First of all, the Flyers only have 1 Simmonds. Typo, I'm sure.

Secondly, both players were seen as #1 guys when they were drafted. You don't draft a guy 5th overall to be a 2nd pair player. Neither player has lived up to his billing as of yet. Bogosian had one really good year in juniors, was rushed to the NHL. Taking all of that into account, along with his injuries and price tag, makes me stay away unless we're getting immediate improvement. I don't think that he's an immediate upgrade to our roster. I'd rather keep both Schenn's.

- jmatchett383



I am not saying Schenn was not viewed as a 1st pairing dman but he was more seen as an Adam Foote. A thumper who could be a compliment. Bogosian is more of the Franchise type. Can contribute on PP, Shutdown pairing, PP. I think two very differnt types. I am not saying there isn't risk but to get that type of dman I see it worth it. I just think it is easier to replace forwards. So if I am moving B. Schenn in a deal for Bogosian I am ok
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 11 @ 11:38 AM ET
I know. The epic Bryz "lost in the woods" game.

I think Prongers last game. He didn't look like himself all game

- PhillySportsGuy


I attended that game.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 11 @ 11:41 AM ET
I am not saying Schenn was not viewed as a 1st pairing dman but he was more seen as an Adam Foote. A thumper who could be a compliment. Bogosian is more of the Franchise type. Can contribute on PP, Shutdown pairing, PP. I think two very differnt types. I am not saying there isn't risk but to get that type of dman I see it worth it. I just think it is easier to replace forwards. So if I am moving B. Schenn in a deal for Bogosian I am ok
- J35Bacher


I'll say this. While I like Bogosian to a point, the injury history combined with contract has me cringe. Brayden Schenn, for all of his inconsistency has a big chance this year if he can play consistently on Giroux's wing. Give the kid that chance, because we really don't know what his ceiling can be yet. You kind of know what you have in Bogosian. I'm sure if you really want Bogosian you could target him next year.

I'd like to see bSchenn given that shot first before trading him. Those of us from the 'Peg don't like trades apparently.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 11 @ 11:41 AM ET
I am not saying Schenn was not viewed as a 1st pairing dman but he was more seen as an Adam Foote. A thumper who could be a compliment. Bogosian is more of the Franchise type. Can contribute on PP, Shutdown pairing, PP. I think two very differnt types. I am not saying there isn't risk but to get that type of dman I see it worth it. I just think it is easier to replace forwards. So if I am moving B. Schenn in a deal for Bogosian I am ok
- J35Bacher


So....would you trade him for Thomas Hockey? Erik Gudbranson? Morgan Reilly?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 11 @ 11:42 AM ET
I am not saying Schenn was not viewed as a 1st pairing dman but he was more seen as an Adam Foote. A thumper who could be a compliment. Bogosian is more of the Franchise type. Can contribute on PP, Shutdown pairing, PP. I think two very differnt types. I am not saying there isn't risk but to get that type of dman I see it worth it. I just think it is easier to replace forwards. So if I am moving B. Schenn in a deal for Bogosian I am ok
- J35Bacher


TBH, I don't see WPG being that interested in B Schenn (or both Schenn Bros).

Couturier, Coburn, Voracek or Simmonds? Sure.

They need to make the PO's -- not sure the Schenn(s) help them all the much w/ the way the game is played out West.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Aug 11 @ 11:44 AM ET
I'll say this. While I like Bogosian to a point, the injury history combined with contract has me cringe. Brayden Schenn, for all of his inconsistency has a big chance this year if he can play consistently on Giroux's wing. Give the kid that chance, because we really don't know what his ceiling can be yet. You kind of know what you have in Bogosian. I'm sure if you really want Bogosian you could target him next year.

I'd like to see bSchenn given that shot first before trading him. Those of us from the 'Peg don't like trades apparently.

- flyer_nutter


Trade no one. Stay the current course and continue to draft and develop our own D.

The end.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Aug 11 @ 11:45 AM ET
TBH, I don't see WPG being that interested in B Schenn (or both Schenn Bros).

Couturier, Coburn, Voracek or Simmonds? Sure.

They need to make the PO's -- not sure the Schenn(s) help them all the much w/ the way the game is played out West.

- Tomahawk


They troll out guys like Tangradi, Peluso, Pardy and Ellerby.

They'd welcome both Schenn's with open arms.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 11 @ 11:46 AM ET
I attended that game.
- flyer_nutter


Luck of the nutter
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 11 @ 11:46 AM ET
So....would you trade him for Thomas Hockey? Erik Gudbranson? Morgan Reilly?
- jmatchett383



I'd trade Schenn for Gundbranson and Reilly if that was the question.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 11 @ 11:47 AM ET
I'd trade Schenn for Gundbranson and Reilly if that was the question.
- J35Bacher


Wow...well, I see we're just not gonna get anywhere, and should leave it like that.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 11 @ 11:47 AM ET
So....would you trade him for Thomas Hockey? Erik Gudbranson? Morgan Reilly?
- jmatchett383


?!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 11 @ 11:48 AM ET
Wow...well, I see we're just not gonna get anywhere, and should leave it like that.
- jmatchett383


Are we talking Morgan Reily? Is this seriously up for debate?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 11 @ 11:51 AM ET
Wow...well, I see we're just not gonna get anywhere, and should leave it like that.
- jmatchett383



I think they provide us with something we don't have.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Aug 11 @ 11:52 AM ET
I think they provide us with something we don't have.
- J35Bacher


I don't think anyone would argue that. It's just that acquiring those players, especially with Luke going the other way in a deal, is just incredibly farfetched.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 11 @ 11:54 AM ET
Are we talking Morgan Reily? Is this seriously up for debate?
- PhillySportsGuy


With enough scotch in my system, I might even move Couturier for Rielly...
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Aug 11 @ 11:54 AM ET
Bill, could you see the Flyers aggressively pursuing Kevin Hayes, to give them the flexibility to possibly move another forward for a d-man?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 11 @ 11:54 AM ET
I think they provide us with something we don't have.
- J35Bacher


Yes...a guy who has the potential to be a good/franchise defenseman who has yet to shown any signs of doing so. If it was just $$ then sure, go for it. But $$ and good, hard assets...no thanks.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Aug 11 @ 11:54 AM ET
I think they provide us with something we don't have.
- J35Bacher


Erections?
2731color
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2007

Aug 11 @ 11:55 AM ET
Or talking about Obama, causing people to weep.

And so here we are. Full circle.

- Giroux_Is_God

Huh?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 11 @ 11:55 AM ET
With enough scotch in my system, I might even move Couturier for Rielly...
- Tomahawk


The guy who had one good WHL system and a whopping 2 goals for Toronto last year?

STUD!

Dude is SO overhyped. Then again, he's only had 1 season, so I'll give him a pass.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 11 @ 11:58 AM ET
move along.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Aug 11 @ 12:04 PM ET
The guy who had one good WHL system and a whopping 2 goals for Toronto last year?

STUD!

Dude is SO overhyped. Then again, he's only had 1 season, so I'll give him a pass.

- jmatchett383


You're nutty. That kid's not overhyped at all. He had a very solid WHL rookie season and tore his ACL his sophomore year. His bounceback year is the "1 good year" you're referring too.

There's a reason why he wasn't in the AHL this year. He's that good. Most definitely a stud. I'd trade everybody on this team with the exception of G, Jake, and Cooter for him and in another year or two, that list might only include G.
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