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Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 12 @ 1:18 PM ET
Neuvirth's issue is health, If he stays healthy, IMO he can put up similar numbers to Miller. Not saying he'll be as good as, just you won't see the huge drop off some fear.
- dadeadhead


I've read this concern in a few posts now, and I wonder where it comes from. I know he lost the Washington gig to Holtby because of an injury, and I know last year he was "injured" at the end of the season, but (i) I kinkda think the injury at the end of last season was not as bad as his time away might otherwise suggest, and (ii) even if he was injured twice, that doesn't feel like he's an eggshell guy, in any event.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Aug 12 @ 1:27 PM ET
Forgot who said it but a quote from one of his friends.


"He could make so many happy but himself"

- dadeadhead


Buffalo-Sabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I lost a bet, NY
Joined: 07.05.2007

Aug 12 @ 1:30 PM ET
I was gone for the last 5 days I went home (Buffalo) for a few days. I am sure the latest Sammy Watkins catch was discussed.

A friend of mine is doing an internship at training camp with the Bills.

I'll pass along this interesting convo he was having when the catch happened:

He is the text he sent me:

"I was talking to Jim Monos, our Director of Player Personnel, he's right next to me in the video. Monos was mid sentence and just goes "ohh sh!t" leans back to look at Whaley and just says "it never gets old" Whaley replied "frank our first rounder next year"

Anyway, did I miss anything while I was gone?

- Stripes77


I mean no disrespect to you, your buddy or your post, But "(frank) our first rounder next year"? Morons.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 12 @ 1:36 PM ET
I mean no disrespect to you, your buddy or your post, But "(frank) our first rounder next year"? Morons.
- Buffalo-Sabres


I think it was more of a who cares about next years first that they gave up to move up when it looks like they hit on their pick. Even if they are bad this year and the pick ends up being in the 6-10 range and Watkins turns into a stud I will say it was the right move. It all depends on the QB play which is nothing new.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 12 @ 1:45 PM ET
I was gone for the last 5 days I went home (Buffalo) for a few days. I am sure the latest Sammy Watkins catch was discussed.

A friend of mine is doing an internship at training camp with the Bills.

I'll pass along this interesting convo he was having when the catch happened:

He is the text he sent me:

"I was talking to Jim Monos, our Director of Player Personnel, he's right next to me in the video. Monos was mid sentence and just goes "ohh sh!t" leans back to look at Whaley and just says "it never gets old" Whaley replied "frank our first rounder next year"

Anyway, did I miss anything while I was gone?

- Stripes77


Watkins makes it look soooo easy
Buffalo-Sabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I lost a bet, NY
Joined: 07.05.2007

Aug 12 @ 1:52 PM ET
I think it was more of a who cares about next years first that they gave up to move up when it looks like they hit on their pick. Even if they are bad this year and the pick ends up being in the 6-10 range and Watkins turns into a stud I will say it was the right move. It all depends on the QB play which is nothing new.
- Stripes77



Again, I don't mean to argue this with you, my frustration is with the Bills, but its their job to 'hit their pick'. They are so inept at what they do they had to cash in 2 to get 1. Plus, its a 4 year contract. If they go 6-10 as you say(and they likely will), that's one year wasted. No first to draft a QB next year, that's 2 wasted. Third year if we're lucky we'll have a stud rookie(which will still likely suck as they most do), that's 3 wasted and by year 4 we might be competitive and by then Sammy and his agent are already thinking about the open market and getting the Buck out of Fuffalo. 2 wasted first rounders.

Sorry to be Debbie downer.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Aug 12 @ 1:53 PM ET
I've read this concern in a few posts now, and I wonder where it comes from. I know he lost the Washington gig to Holtby because of an injury, and I know last year he was "injured" at the end of the season, but (i) I kinkda think the injury at the end of last season was not as bad as his time away might otherwise suggest, and (ii) even if he was injured twice, that doesn't feel like he's an eggshell guy, in any event.
- Der Kaiser



2014/04/13 Missed the last 15 regular season games (lower body injury).
2014/03/16 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2013/12/12 Missed 6 games (leg injury).
2013/12/12 Loaned to Hershey (AHL) for conditioning.
2013/12/02 Leg injury, injured reserve.
2013/11/29 Leg injury, day-to-day.
2013/04/02 Missed 1 game (head injury).
2013/03/31 Head injury, day-to-day.
2013/03/10 Missed 2 games (illness).
2013/03/07 Illness, day-to-day.
2013/03/02 Missed 1 game (illness).
2013/02/27 Illness, day-to-day.
2012/04/21 Missed 1 regular season and 4 playoff games (lower body injury).
2012/04/07 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2011/10/27 Missed 5 games (bruised foot).
2011/10/13 Bruised foot, day-to-day.
2011/03/29 Missed 1 game (illness).
2011/03/26 Illness, day-to-day.
2011/02/01 Missed 4 games (lower body injury).
2011/01/20 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2010/11/24 Missed 1 game (lower body injury).
2010/11/22 Lower body injury, day-to-day.

Missed 41 games in a tad over 3 seasons.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Aug 12 @ 2:01 PM ET
Again, I don't mean to argue this with you, my frustration is with the Bills, but its their job to 'hit their pick'. They are so inept at what they do they had to cash in 2 to get 1. Plus, its a 4 year contract. If they go 6-10 as you say(and they likely will), that's one year wasted. No first to draft a QB next year, that's 2 wasted. Third year if we're lucky we'll have a stud rookie(which will still likely suck as they most do), that's 3 wasted and by year 4 we might be competitive and by then Sammy and his agent are already thinking about the open market and getting the Buck out of Fuffalo. 2 wasted first rounders.

Sorry to be Debbie downer.

- Buffalo-Sabres



Only hope is "IF" they can't re-up Spiller, they find a team like Indy to give up a 1st for him. Other than that, you have a point.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 12 @ 2:03 PM ET
2014/04/13 Missed the last 15 regular season games (lower body injury).
2014/03/16 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2013/12/12 Missed 6 games (leg injury).
2013/12/12 Loaned to Hershey (AHL) for conditioning.
2013/12/02 Leg injury, injured reserve.
2013/11/29 Leg injury, day-to-day.
2013/04/02 Missed 1 game (head injury).
2013/03/31 Head injury, day-to-day.
2013/03/10 Missed 2 games (illness).
2013/03/07 Illness, day-to-day.
2013/03/02 Missed 1 game (illness).
2013/02/27 Illness, day-to-day.
2012/04/21 Missed 1 regular season and 4 playoff games (lower body injury).
2012/04/07 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2011/10/27 Missed 5 games (bruised foot).
2011/10/13 Bruised foot, day-to-day.
2011/03/29 Missed 1 game (illness).
2011/03/26 Illness, day-to-day.
2011/02/01 Missed 4 games (lower body injury).
2011/01/20 Lower body injury, day-to-day.
2010/11/24 Missed 1 game (lower body injury).
2010/11/22 Lower body injury, day-to-day.

Missed 41 games in a tad over 3 seasons.

- dadeadhead


Here's Miller's for same period of time (4 seasons [10-11; 11-12;12-13;13-14] fwiw). He missed 21 games.

2013/10/08 Missed 1 game (groin).
2013/10/05 Groin, day-to-day.
2011/12/02 Missed 8 games (concussion).
2011/11/25 Concussion, injured reserve.
2011/11/14 Concussion, sidelined indefinitely.
2011/04/08 Missed 4 games (upper body injury).
2011/03/30 Upper body injury, day-to-day.
2010/11/26 Missed 2 games (groin).
2010/11/20 Groin, day-to-day.
2010/11/13 Missed 6 games (upper body injury).
2010/11/03 Upper body injury, day-to-day.

If I'm right that the "last 15 of 2014" for Neuwirth were not real injury, there pretty damn comparable.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 12 @ 2:04 PM ET
Neuvirth's issue is health, If he stays healthy, IMO he can put up similar numbers to Miller. Not saying he'll be as good as, just you won't see the huge drop off some fear.
- dadeadhead

so if he is healthy, the sky will be falling



got it
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 12 @ 2:09 PM ET
so if he is healthy, the sky will be falling



got it

- homiedclown



How's the Nicorette coming?
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Aug 12 @ 2:10 PM ET
Here's Miller's for same period of time (4 seasons
- Der Kaiser[10-11; 11-12;12-13;13-14] fwiw). He missed 21 games.

2013/10/08 Missed 1 game (groin).
2013/10/05 Groin, day-to-day.
2011/12/02 Missed 8 games (concussion).
2011/11/25 Concussion, injured reserve.
2011/11/14 Concussion, sidelined indefinitely.
2011/04/08 Missed 4 games (upper body injury).
2011/03/30 Upper body injury, day-to-day.
2010/11/26 Missed 2 games (groin).
2010/11/20 Groin, day-to-day.
2010/11/13 Missed 6 games (upper body injury).
2010/11/03 Upper body injury, day-to-day.

If I'm right that the "last 15 of 2014" for Neuwirth were not real injury, there pretty damn comparable.



dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Aug 12 @ 2:10 PM ET
When did Chester Cheetah become British?
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Aug 12 @ 2:11 PM ET
http://youtu.be/_NqEKvk9F4I

Two of the masters.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 12 @ 2:15 PM ET
How's the Nicorette coming?
- Der Kaiser

smoked 30 a day for the last 25 years


smoked 12 on friday
10 on saturday
9 on sunday
7 yesterday


I do walk around mad at the world right now though
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Aug 12 @ 2:21 PM ET
smoked 30 a day for the last 25 years


smoked 12 on friday
10 on saturday
9 on sunday
7 yesterday


I do walk around mad at the world right now though

- homiedclown



Drink more.


Stay away from Whisky though as that will only make you madder at the world.
BuffaloHardHat
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity., NY
Joined: 11.27.2012

Aug 12 @ 2:24 PM ET
smoked 30 a day for the last 25 years


smoked 12 on friday
10 on saturday
9 on sunday
7 yesterday


I do walk around mad at the world right now though

- homiedclown

I am not judging at all .
Just trying to help perhaps.
Do you really want to quit HC?
Start there because if you don't want to 100% you will keep falling prey, breaking down and finding excuses as to why you can't quit right now.
I smoked for over 25 years.
I have been nicotine free for 7 years now.
I did it with simple super double bubble gum.
I locked myself in the bedroom for a few days and when I wanted a cigarette I'd tossed a piece of that super double bubble gum in my mouth.
Crazy enough , it worked.
The flavor of that gum lasted about as long as a cigarette so it worked wonderfully and I still have all my teethe too.
Just trying to help if and whenever possible.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 12 @ 2:25 PM ET
Again, I don't mean to argue this with you, my frustration is with the Bills, but its their job to 'hit their pick'. They are so inept at what they do they had to cash in 2 to get 1. Plus, its a 4 year contract. If they go 6-10 as you say(and they likely will), that's one year wasted. No first to draft a QB next year, that's 2 wasted. Third year if we're lucky we'll have a stud rookie(which will still likely suck as they most do), that's 3 wasted and by year 4 we might be competitive and by then Sammy and his agent are already thinking about the open market and getting the Buck out of Fuffalo. 2 wasted first rounders.

Sorry to be Debbie downer.

- Buffalo-Sabres


maybe you should just let this one play itself out
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 12 @ 2:25 PM ET

- dadeadhead



I know - IF.

But here's the recap of the last game he played: he went "day-to-day" for a few weeks and then long-term IR with an unspecified "lower body injury" after this performance, without ever playing again.

http://sabres.nhl.com/gam...er/en/recap?id=2013020990
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Aug 12 @ 2:27 PM ET
I know - IF.

But here's the recap of the last game he played: he went "day-to-day" for a few weeks and then long-term IR with an unspecified "lower body injury" after this performance, without ever playing again.

http://sabres.nhl.com/gam...er/en/recap?id=2013020990

- Der Kaiser




Oh I know.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Aug 12 @ 2:29 PM ET
Oh I know.
- dadeadhead


Sorry, then.

I think the guy has a chance to really be something.
Jtr1p
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.11.2014

Aug 12 @ 2:29 PM ET
smoked 30 a day for the last 25 years


smoked 12 on friday
10 on saturday
9 on sunday
7 yesterday


I do walk around mad at the world right now though

- homiedclown



Sorry man, I feel for you. I was a Copenhagen guy and I literally had to lock myself in my room when trying to quit due to little fits of rage. Damn near got in a fist fight with my little brother during that stretch haha. Good luck pal keep it up. It's just a matter of will power in the end.

Edit: It does get better. The first few months are the worst.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 12 @ 2:31 PM ET
I am not judging at all .
Just trying to help perhaps.
Do you really want to quit HC?
Start there because if you don't want to 100% you will keep falling prey, breaking down and finding excuses as to why you can't quit right now.
I smoked for over 25 years.
I have been nicotine free for 7 years now.
I did it with simple super double bubble gum.
I locked myself in the bedroom for a few days and when I wanted a cigarette I'd tossed a piece of that super double bubble gum in my mouth.
Crazy enough , it worked.
The flavor of that gum lasted about as long as a cigarette so it worked wonderfully and I still have all my teethe too.
Just trying to help if and whenever possible.

- BuffaloHardHat

tic tacs
gum
are the 2 things I lean on at work when I want one
when I am at home, I do something to take my mind off of it, either run 3 miles are go walk another 9 holes of golf

I expect to be down to 4 a day by sunday and quit for good next weekend


homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 12 @ 2:31 PM ET
Drink more.


Stay away from Whisky though as that will only make you madder at the world.

- dadeadhead

now you tell me



sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 12 @ 2:32 PM ET
Sorry, then.

I think the guy has a chance to really be something.

- Der Kaiser

He does.

He was a victim of a team continually trying for 8th-9th place.

The Caps are the Sabres of 2012, just with a legit superstar.

IMO they should have kept Nuevirth, and never tried to "sneak in" with Halak
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