jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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He scored about 1/3 of his career points last season... - Tomahawk
He averaged a bit over 22 points/season up until last year. I'm thinking the Niskanen effect was in full force. |
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AllInForFlyers
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Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks Joined: 03.18.2013
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Okay but seriously you're D looks nearly as bad as ours... probably worse. - BINGO!
See, this stuff baffles me.
It's not that people can't feel this way. But it baffles me how definitive people are about it.
I acknowledge that the Flyers defense has some flaws and weaknesses, and that Kimmo Timonen being out is a blow.
But how are people so damn certain that the Flyers defense -- which, last time I checked, actually helped get the team to 94 points and a playoff berth -- is worse than non-playoff teams?
How does that work? I've watched hockey for damn near four decades, and I'm baffled by this.
Depending on who's talking, the Flyers don't have a defense, don't have a goalie, Claude Giroux is overrated...DAMN! What do the Flyers have that keeps them making the playoffs -- again, only missed twice since 1995!
The Flyers defense has some weaknesses. But can we at least not pretend that a non-playoff team that fronts Andrej Sekera on a top pair is something anybody, anybody at all, should think is better?
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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See, this stuff baffles me.
It's not that people can't feel this way. But it baffles me how definitive people are about it.
I acknowledge that the Flyers defense has some flaws and weaknesses, and that Kimmo Timonen being out is a blow.
But how are people so damn certain that the Flyers defense -- which, last time I checked, actually helped get the team to 94 points and a playoff berth -- is worse than non-playoff teams?
How does that work? I've watched hockey for damn near four decades, and I'm baffled by this.
Depending on who's talking, the Flyers don't have a defense, don't have a goalie, Claude Giroux is overrated...DAMN! What do the Flyers have that keeps them making the playoffs -- again, only missed twice since 1995!
The Flyers defense has some weaknesses. But can we at least not pretend that a non-playoff team that fronts Andrej Sekera on a top pair is something anybody, anybody at all, should think is better? - AllInForFlyers
People, even NHL GMs, are delusional about defenses. The Brooks Orpik contract is proof of this. |
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Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y Joined: 10.08.2008
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People, even NHL GMs, are delusional about defenses. The Brooks Orpik contract is proof of this. - jmatchett383
What about the Andy MacDonald contract? |
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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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What about the Andy MacDonald contract? - Schenn-Sational!
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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What about the Andy MacDonald contract? - Schenn-Sational!
It's not a great value signing by any means. The term's long, but the $$ is probably around what he'd command on the open market. It's not as great as the Jeff Finger signing, but it's not the worst signing either. |
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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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What about the Andy MacDonald contract? - Schenn-Sational!
Low blow. |
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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks Joined: 03.18.2013
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What about the Andy MacDonald contract? - Schenn-Sational!
Well, it remains to be seen if MacDonald lives up that contract, and people can certainly question it until he does or doesn't.
But does a team that drops a 7x7 contract on Dion Phaneuf have any room to talk? I mean, what, exactly, did that get you?
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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What about the Andy MacDonald contract? - Schenn-Sational!
What about it? |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Well, it remains to be seen if MacDonald lives up that contract, and people can certainly question it until he does or doesn't.
But does a team that drops a 7x7 contract on Dion Phaneuf have any room to talk? I mean, what, exactly, did that get you? - AllInForFlyers
Six games and 58+ minutes of glory.
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Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Should of studied Geometry Joined: 04.28.2013
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What about the Andy MacDonald contract? - Schenn-Sational!
Looks like a steal compared to the Phaneuf deal. |
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Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y Joined: 10.08.2008
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It's not a great value signing by any means. The term's long, but the $$ is probably around what he'd command on the open market. It's not as great as the Jeff Finger signing, but it's not the worst signing either. - jmatchett383
So signing a top-4 d-man to a 5.5M/5 year contract is delusional, but a bottom pairing one to a 5.0M/6 year contract is on par with signing a bottom pairing d-man to 3.5M/4 year contract? |
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Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y Joined: 10.08.2008
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Looks like a steal compared to the Pronger deal. - Doc_Sarcasm
agreed |
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What about the Andy MacDonald contract? - Schenn-Sational!
Ut oh... The Andrew MacDonald signal has been sent out. Batman to the rescue!
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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So signing a top-4 d-man to a 5.5M/5 year contract is delusional, but a bottom pairing one to a 5.0M/6 year contract is on par with signing a bottom pairing d-man to 3.5M/4 year contract? - Schenn-Sational!
You need to use names, because I think you just called Brooks Orpik a top-4 defenseman (this isn't 2009) and MacDonald a bottom pair (he's a top-4) and jeff Finger was a borderline AHLer. |
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Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y Joined: 10.08.2008
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What about it? - MJL
It's bad. |
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Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y Joined: 10.08.2008
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You need to use names, because I think you just called Brooks Orpik a top-4 defenseman (this isn't 2009) and MacDonald a bottom pair (he's a top-4) and jeff Finger was a borderline AHLer. - jmatchett383
what makes MacDonald a top-4 d-man? |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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agreed - Schenn-Sational!
Don't worry, once the NHL contracts back to six teams again, you'll have a shot. At least Kerry Fraser's retired, so that's one plus for you guys, seeing as he's the sole reason you didn't win a Cup in 93. |
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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 09.26.2010
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What about it? - MJL
I like the Flyers, but that guy is overpaid. His possession numbers are brutal. |
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wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK Joined: 11.13.2007
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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what makes MacDonald a top-4 d-man? - Schenn-Sational!
The fact that he was top-2 in TOI/GP for both teams he played for last year. I'm making him top-4 instead of top-2 based on the relative weaknesses of both blue lines. |
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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: DE Joined: 02.13.2013
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So signing a top-4 d-man to a 5.5M/5 year contract is delusional, but a bottom pairing one to a 5.0M/6 year contract is on par with signing a bottom pairing d-man to 3.5M/4 year contract? - Schenn-Sational!
Bottom pairing dmen don't play 22 minutes a night.
I think last tasting any kind of playoff success when games were in 4:3 has been pretty tough on you, so you're here lashing out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9J9BSZYXd0 |
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Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Should of studied Geometry Joined: 04.28.2013
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Don't worry, once the NHL contracts back to six teams again, you'll have a shot. At least Kerry Fraser's retired, so that's one plus for you guys, seeing as he's the sole reason you didn't win a Cup in 93. - jmatchett383
You're forgetting Bettman's vendetta against all Canadian teams. |
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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks Joined: 03.18.2013
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It's bad. - Schenn-Sational!
Man, you've got Dion Phaneuf locked into a 7x7 with a no-trade. That's bad.
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Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Should of studied Geometry Joined: 04.28.2013
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Man, you've got Dion Phaneuf locked into a 7x7 with a no-trade. That's bad. - AllInForFlyers
Leafs fans are delusional by nature. Its been almost 50 years since they've won a Cup, they've made the playoffs once in the last 10, and yet they consider themselves a top contender year in and year out. |
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