Yeah, I meant more based on talent than actual projected stats. I was hoping Chip would draft Austin Seferian-Jenkins. The smartest offensive teams use TE's heavily for mismatches
- EagleNuck

I like ASJ too. The Bucs receivers are (frank)ing monsters. Evans, Vinny Jackson, ASJ. I even like their other TE Tim Wright.

TEs rarely breakout in their rookie years. Most skilled players make the jump in year 2 or 3.

Describing how he was used and how much icetime he was trusted with is a far more valid argument then using Corsi.
- MJL

That makes no sense. Some coaches overuse certain players because their teams just aren't good, meanwhile some teams are quite deep on defense have players who could be top 4 d-men playing bottom pairing minutes.

Using this logic, you're overestimating players on crappy teams and underestimating players on good team. Pretty weak argument.

You're going to be that old guy who calls WIP and talks about how things used to be
- PhillySportsGuy

He's half way there. We just need to get WIP on speed dial for him and a twelve pack.

hwga
- wilsonecho91

I don't think MacDonald is horrible, but he's definitely limited. Even those who defend him readily state that he was counted on too heavily by the Isles. The problem there is, the Flyers made a 6 year commitment worth $30mm to a guy whose ceiling-admitted even by his defenders-is second pair defenseman.

If I'm making that sort of commitment to a guy, I want him to be more than that. I want him to be able to slide up and be an effective first pair guy in case of injury or team needs.

We all readily admit that he can't handle that workload, which makes the contract questionable to me.
- Jsaquella

You won't get a first pair defenseman that's a pending Free agent for 5M a year. And any defenseman that's capable of playing on the first pair, is a first pair defenseman.

Some fans have just not kept up with salary inflation. 5M a year is not a big deal. It's like 3.5 for a player 2-3 years ago. And as salaries escalate for good players, 5M will be chump change in a few years.

why is it always the people being attacked who are always whining about being needlessly attacked? why? how do you know its needless? what does corsi have to say about the necessity of attacking you? shouldn't you rely on an advanced metric to back up your position?
- Doc_Sarcasm

It's needless because this is a hockey forum and we're having a hockey discussion. Stop complaining and female doging about it and stay on topic or move on. No need to get upset over it simply because you don't understand what is being discussed or have no interest in it.

You won't get a first pair defenseman that's a pending Free agent for 5M a year. And any defenseman that's capable of playing on the first pair, is a first pair defenseman.

Some fans have just not kept up with salary inflation. 5M a year is not a big deal. It's like 3.5 for a player 2-3 years ago. And as salaries escalate for good players, 5M will be chump change in a few years.
- MJL

Hell, I don't call WIP now...one of the biggest blessing of living here is that I can't accidentally stumble upon WIP while flipping through the channels as I drive
- Jsaquella

I can. I turned it on yesterday and heard Josh Innes' voice and immediately turned it off. I don't even think he got a word out. I heard a syllable.

If you don't know, he's the worst radio host in the history of sports talk radio.

He's half way there. We just need to get WIP on speed dial for him and a twelve pack.
- mayorofangrytown

This can be arranged

Please explain your point, but don't use any number or logic
- PhillySportsGuy

Maybe then I'll actually get through to these guys....

He's half way there. We just need to get WIP on speed dial for him and a twelve pack.
- mayorofangrytown

I'll happily accept the 12 pack

How are they a team number? Ever heard of Corsi relative? How can you argue that he's only slightly overpaid? Back it up with some numbers.
- EagleNuck

I've heard of it all. Corsi and all it's derivatives are about shot differential. Unless you believe that one player is responsible for every shot attempted for, or against while he is on the ice, for every shift, it's a team number. There's no way of getting around that. As much as 30-40% of the data, is false data. That's why NHL teams don't use Corsi as we know it.

Back up with numbers that he's overpaid! 5M is the going rate for a quality puck moving defenseman in today's game. I think you can argue that 4.5M would've been a better number such as what Stralman signed for. But they're comparable players.

It's needless because this is a hockey forum and we're having a hockey discussion. Stop complaining and female doging about it and stay on topic or move on. No need to get upset over it simply because you don't understand what is being discussed or have no interest in it.
- EagleNuck

1st off, you're in our house now.

2nd off, if you think i'm actually upset, you are obviously new here.

Winning the Stanley Cup is the point. I've watched my team do it. Have you?
- BINGO!

No, I haven't. I'm not that old. I've seen the Flyers play in multiple finals since then, where they've lost.

But I'll still take that over being a fan of a perennial bottom-feeder like the Hurricanes, who won the Cup and MISSED THE PLAYOFFS THE VERY NEXT SEASON.

Congratulations on watching your team win the Cup -- because that's damn near the last time they made the playoffs.

Ryan Kesler averaged the 2nd most ice-time in the NHL last year among forwards. Ryan Kesler is the 2nd best forward in the league.

I can. I turned it on yesterday and heard Josh Innes' voice and immediately turned it off. I don't even think he got a word out. I heard a syllable.

If you don't know, he's the worst radio host in the history of sports talk radio.
- PhillySportsGuy

I will avoid him like the plague.

Maybe then I'll actually get through to these guys....
- EagleNuck

You may have an easier time teaching apes to drive planes.

You won't get a first pair defenseman that's a pending Free agent for 5M a year. And any defenseman that's capable of playing on the first pair, is a first pair defenseman.

Some fans have just not kept up with salary inflation. 5M a year is not a big deal. It's like 3.5 for a player 2-3 years ago. And as salaries escalate for good players, 5M will be chump change in a few years.
- MJL

So because Lecavalier has played on the 1st line in his career, and technically CAN play on the first line, he is a first line centre?

I've heard of it all. Corsi and all it's derivatives are about shot differential. Unless you believe that one player is responsible for every shot attempted for, or against while he is on the ice, for every shift, it's a team number. There's no way of getting around that. As much as 30-40% of the data, is false data. That's why NHL teams don't use Corsi as we know it.

Back up with numbers that he's overpaid! 5M is the going rate for a quality puck moving defenseman in today's game. I think you can argue that 4.5M would've been a better number such as what Stralman signed for. But they're comparable players.
- MJL

Of course it' not 100% accurate on a per shift basis but over a large period of time, there's less luck variance and therefore it actually does become a valuable tool to sue to evaluate how strong a player is. And then you also have WOWY stats as well, another area where MacDonald is mediocre at best.

Stralman blows him away in terms of possession metrics.

I can. I turned it on yesterday and heard Josh Innes' voice and immediately turned it off. I don't even think he got a word out. I heard a syllable.

If you don't know, he's the worst radio host in the history of sports talk radio.
- PhillySportsGuy

I stumbled on him when he found out that he wasn't getting nights off for the Phillies games because they were moving him to 610AM. Monday night was the biggest train wreck in the history of WIP radio. They pulled him on Tuesday and he was back on Wednesday thru Firday. By the following week he had calmed down and I stopped listening.

That Monday he let everyone on the air: Guys were calling in and just killing him on the air then he would sing them some 90s pop song. I was insane listening to this dude come apart. He want his job back in Houston or where ever so bad. It was so far beneath him to be on AM. He called his mom on the air. I swear it's true.

Worded poorly

How can long-term injured reserve cause a bonus overage?

Teams requiring long-term injury relief to fit a roster under the salary cap throughout the season can be at risk of ending up with a bonus overage. That's because utilizing LTIR results in the team finishing the season with $0 cap space. For teams in these positions with players earning performance bonuses, those bonuses are tacked onto their final cap payroll as an overage and carried forward as a penalty the following season.

CBA reference: Section 50.10 (d) (P. 226-231)
- Jsaquella

It can cause an overage. Doesn't mean that it will. And with Timonen not looking likely to play a full season if at all. That threat may not be reality. And it depnds on the final roster, but the Flyers may have some LTIR space left over if Timonen doesn't play this year. The tricky part is if he is placed on LTIR to start the season, and comes back at some point. The Flyers may have to make a move at that point to fit him in.

Flyers Preview on Sirius XM just finished up right now. I'm sure it will be replayed tomorrow as well. Pretty good stuff from Boomer Gordon.

You have yet to make a valid argument using those stats that shows AMac is a top 4 d-man. That makes you no better than those that dismiss the stats altogether.
- EagleNuck

Using what stats?

No, I haven't. I'm not that old. I've seen the Flyers play in multiple finals since then, where they've lost.

But I'll still take that over being a fan of a perennial bottom-feeder like the Hurricanes, who won the Cup and MISSED THE PLAYOFFS THE VERY NEXT SEASON.

Congratulations on watching your team win the Cup -- because that's damn near the last time they made the playoffs.
- AllInForFlyers

So you'd rather watch your team make the playoffs and lose out year after year after year and never see your team win the Stanley cup, than sacrifice some seasons and watch them make a deep run every time they do make the playoffs?

I'll happily accept the 12 pack
- Jsaquella

I'll bring a case. We can discuss posters past and present and you can tell me what Corsi Relative is because I only have the vaguest notion right now.