Here's hoping they start slow then!
- ClarksonDavid

LOL ,with probably the best group of wingers in the east ,and top 5 i would say in the league.They will score, this iam sure of .Bernier and Rhm are a pretty good tandem,but they were overworked and it showed.If they can get some growth from guys like reilly and Gards,plus better play from Franson .They can be in the mix for the playoffs rather easily

Better play from Franson?

Like... never leaving the bench?


That'd be pretty sweet. Doubt it'd happen though.

Kadri has to be considered here as well.
- Feeling Glucky?

meh i dunno...they are kind of the same player...i dont think that move would really make sense for either team...plus kadri is a huge douche probably

Kadri has to be considered here as well.
- Feeling Glucky?

No, Kadri will never be able to give you the kind of game Turris does. Turris can fill in as a number 1 if necessary. But, his real value is as a #2 because of the quality of his defensive play. Kadri has yet to master the faceoff. He does not adjust well to playing on the wing. He would not be a selection for my team. I was unhappy with Spezza, why would I ever have an interest in Kadri.

No, Kadri will never be able to give you the kind of game Turris does. Turris can fill in as a number 1 if necessary. But, his real value is as a #2 because of the quality of his defensive play. Kadri has yet to master the faceoff. He does not adjust well to playing on the wing. He would not be a selection for my team. I was unhappy with Spezza, why would I ever have an interest in Kadri.
- spatso

Also Kadri is still a turnover machine at the blueline, I dont have stats and don't care to look but he is soft at the blueline, I love Kadri and when he is ion the zone in space he's so fun to watch, but he still needs 1-2 NHL seasons to get to where Turris is. But Turris also struggled with this early and I think both have winning attitudes so all in all, Kadri is better 1on1, Turris is better through the neutral zone, kadri is a turn over machine but is more dynamic in the slot, Turris is more of a permittee player but also a much better perimeter player then Kadri

Also Kadri is still a turnover machine at the blueline, I dont have stats and don't care to look but he is soft at the blueline, I love Kadri and when he is ion the zone in space he's so fun to watch, but he still needs 1-2 NHL seasons to get to where Turris is. But Turris also struggled with this early and I think both have winning attitudes so all in all, Kadri is better 1on1, Turris is better through the neutral zone, kadri is a turn over machine but is more dynamic in the slot, Turris is more of a permittee player but also a much better perimeter player then Kadri
- tuna99

You left out the most important part. Turris comes back hard on every play and is always there to provide support for his own D. Kadri has not yet figured out how to play the defensive game and, I fear, he may never get it done.

Not sure why that is a huge issue for anyone. Leafs would not give up Kessel for Turris and MacArthur. But, Leafs don't have anyone the Sens would trade for (other than Kessel) if the Leafs asked about Turris. Silly debate.
- spatso

id seriously consider (and probably do) JVR or Reilley..but thats about it probably
- TheMike12

Not even close. Leafs wouldn't even think about trading either of those 2 for both of Mac and Turris, let alone Turris. I add gardiner, Bernier, kadri, nylander and several other prospect we have that I would move for Turris.

Not even close. Leafs wouldn't even think about trading either of those 2 for both of Mac and Turris, let alone Turris. I add gardiner, Bernier, kadri, nylander and several other prospect we have that I wouldn't move for Turris.
- burn

missed a little something important there.

And while I agree that I wouldn't consider moving any of those guys for Turris... I don't think Ottawa would trade Turris for Nylander(too unknown) or Gardiner(not needed)... even Bernier, while he's an upgrade, they may not want to create a bigger hole at center.

Not even close. Leafs wouldn't even think about trading either of those 2 for both of Mac and Turris, let alone Turris. I add gardiner, Bernier, kadri, nylander and several other prospect we have that I would move for Turris.
- burn

And ottawa doesnt move Turris for any less, everybody is happy

Kadri really has a bad name well at least I'm happy with him, also expecting 60-70 points of him this year.

missed a little something important there.

And while I agree that I wouldn't consider moving any of those guys for Turris... I don't think Ottawa would trade Turris for Nylander(too unknown) or Gardiner(not needed)... even Bernier, while he's an upgrade, they may not want to create a bigger hole at center.
- Feeling Glucky?

yeah you beat me to all of that...

Kadri really has a bad name well at least I'm happy with him, also expecting 60-70 points of him this year.
- ClarksonDavid

Not at all he is a little shift distruber on the ice, and i hate him when we play him.But he has tallent

Kadri really has a bad name well at least I'm happy with him, also expecting 60-70 points of him this year.
- ClarksonDavid

he should be a 55-65 point guy year after year I would think...he strikes me as the kind of player who will have the off 70 point year thrown in here and there.

once he matures he will probably be a lot more consistent

You left out the most important part. Turris comes back hard on every play and is always there to provide support for his own D. Kadri has not yet figured out how to play the defensive game and, I fear, he may never get it done.
- spatso

Kadri comes back hard too. Like Turris he's not very good once back, but the dedication is there.

missed a little something important there.

And while I agree that I wouldn't consider moving any of those guys for Turris... I don't think Ottawa would trade Turris for Nylander(too unknown) or Gardiner(not needed)... even Bernier, while he's an upgrade, they may not want to create a bigger hole at center.
- Feeling Glucky?

Missed what?


Leafs don't need Turris. He doesn't make them better in any regard. I don't care what they'd what/not want, what they think ifs too unknown. No chance in hell they leafs don't laugh their asses off if called and offered Turris for jvr, or Reilly or gardiner or nylander or any other I mentioned.


He's being massively overrated here. Christ sakes he's comparable to Bergeron? Give me a break. His stats aren't close.

Kadri comes back hard too. Like Turris he's not very good once back, but the dedication is there.
- Feeling Glucky?

turris is actually pretty reliable defensively as well,,,he was one of the forwards that wasnt a total mess in our own zone last season

yeah you beat me to all of that...
- TheMike12

Agreed, except for the part where Toronto wouldn't entertain an offer of Nylander for Turris. I find that slightly hard to believe, since it's not evident that he's a lock to be better than a 2nd line player.

Missed what?


Leafs don't need Turris. He doesn't make them better in any regard. I don't care what they'd what/not want, what they think ifs too unknown. No chance in hell they leafs don't laugh their asses off if called and offered Turris for jvr, or Reilly or gardiner or nylander or any other I mentioned.


He's being massively overrated here. Christ sakes he's comparable to Bergeron? Give me a break. His stats aren't close.
- burn

you are....Le Angry....

Kadri comes back hard too. Like Turris he's not very good once back, but the dedication is there.
- Feeling Glucky?

Agreed. The kadri is terrible defensively narrative is just clueless.

he should be a 55-65 point guy year after year I would think...he strikes me as the kind of player who will have the off 70 point year thrown in here and there.

once he matures he will probably be a lot more consistent
- TheMike12

I've heard the Mike Ribiero name thrown around as a comparable before, in terms of production and temperament if nothing else. That seems like a pretty decent comparison to me, and nothing wrong with it either as long as you're not relying on him to be a franchise player (and Toronto won't be).

you are....Le Angry....
- TheMike12

Yeah, it's burn. This tends to happen

you are....Le Angry....
- TheMike12

Nope. it's internet msg board, don't take it too seriously.

I'm le laughing my ass off at the stupidity.

Agreed, except for the part where Toronto wouldn't entertain an offer of Nylander for Turris. I find that slightly hard to believe, since it's not evident that he's a lock to be better than a 2nd line player.
- Mr_Clean

Yeah but he could turn into an Allstar player aswell. Leafs brass was pretty excited he was there when they picked.

top 5? come on man, thats almost as ridiculous as saying mac + turris > kessel.

crosby, malkin, stamkos, toews, giroux, kopitar, getzlaf, datsyuk, ovechkin.....and that's only forwards.

kessel is s great playet but no chance he's top 5
- sensarmy_11

You forgot one Army, Tyler Seguin